Discussion Archive: October 2003

31 Oct 2003 - 5:19am
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Magdalen Galley
2003

Membership of the Ergonomics Society

As a Society we have read your debate with interest. Might I suggest
that you at least consider joining us as we have many shared views.

31 Oct 2003 - 5:18am
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CD Evans
2004

Distinction between visual and interaction design in wireframes Was RE:Prototypes as documentation?

Dan Brown (greenonions.com) came up with a solution to this
wireframe/visual problem years ago and I commented on it in my book
'Usable Shopping Carts'.

I believe he calls them Page Description Diagrams (though I was
trying to call them Wireframes 2.0)

The basis is that they list the elements (as usable bits) on a
gradient of importance, and the visual designers take it from there.

It's a great model of Wireframing.

30 Oct 2003 - 12:32pm
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David B. Rondeau
2003

Distinction between visual and interaction design in wireframes Was RE:Prototypes as documentation?

On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, David Heller wrote:

> Are others finding themselves in the quandry that was expressed in a
> recent
> article on B&A about how wireframes have become the final source of
> documentation for design, engineering, and quality assurance?
>
> Here's the link:
> http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/
> the_devils_in_the_wireframes.php I know I am facing this problem.
>
> How are people dealing w/ this?

30 Oct 2003 - 4:40am
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9 years ago
2 replies
livlab
2003

RE: Prototypes, process, and ID (RE:[interactionarchitects] Re: process ... the nextgeneration)

: "Data indicate that 60-80% of the cost of software
: development is rework--that is, fixing defects that
: are found during testing.* While software must still
: be tested, testing and rework costs would be reduced
: if better design and implementation practices were used"

Fixing defects that are found during testing... if there really was testing
then it's already a significant and important design practice. As John said,
the software industry is used to testing, it's part of the process.

30 Oct 2003 - 4:26am
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9 years ago
2 replies
John O'Donovan
2004

RE: Prototypes, process, and ID (RE:[interactionarchitects] Re: process ... the next generation)

Peter Bagnall said:
> I think part of our problem is that in software
> the manufacturing cost is practically nothing (CD's
> or net distro are cheap.), so any more time spent
> in design feels to management like a direct increase
> in cost, and therefore a loss of profitability.

I'm not sure I know the context in which you are describing manufacturing
here Peter, because the cost of manufacturing software also includes an
equivalent "tooling" up period which is development, testing and everything
else related to building application

29 Oct 2003 - 4:55pm
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Dave Malouf
2005

Techtionary

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Only good till 11/2

-- dave

29 Oct 2003 - 6:27am
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Marike Maring
2003

FW: [interactionarchitects] Re: process ... the next generation

The developers I encountered so far love to trow prototypes away but
refactoring is generally seen as a waste of time by the management - if it
seems sellable, it's good enough. Time constraints. 20-80 percent rule,
blahblah. In the company I work for now, we made the management sign an
agreement with the projectteam to allow us to trow away the entire pilot
version of the product we're working on.

Marike

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Todd R.

29 Oct 2003 - 1:44am
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CD Evans
2004

Quality under pressure was: RE: Prototypes, process, and ID

I like the idea of an award system but that might lead us into a
whole other kettle of exclusivity problems. What has worked well in
the past has been 'site of the day' awards or perhaps a review site?
Boxes and Arrows is my first guess for setting up reviews, but I
don't see why we couldn't do it on our site.

How does that sound?

28 Oct 2003 - 4:48pm
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9 years ago
1 reply
Josh Seiden
2003

Qualitative Research Consultants Organization

Does anyone on this list know anything about this
group?

http://www.qrca.org

I just came across them yesterday. I do a fair amount
of qualitative research, as, I imagine, do many of you.
This organization seems more focused on a traditional
vision of market research.

28 Oct 2003 - 1:12pm
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9 years ago
6 replies
Dave Malouf
2005

Prototypes as documentation?

Are others finding themselves in the quandry that was expressed in a recent
article on B&A about how wireframes have become the final source of
documentation for design, engineering, and quality assurance?

Here's the link:
http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/the_devils_in_the_wireframes.php

I know I am facing this problem.

How are people dealing w/ this? What do people think of Liz's solution?

-- dave