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5 May 2004 - 7:26pm

san francisco Bay area folks! first friday!

In memory of the fine cocktail hours that once graced our bay area, Frank Ramirez and I are starting First Fridays! The first Friday of the month those who wish to talk about "what we do" be it ID, IA Ed, or usability, will gather at 6:30 for social debate and beverage consumption.

5 May 2004 - 4:18pm
Dave Malouf

Richer distributed apps (was RE: web design)

Andrei chimed in w/
<<While I did all the design work to make a frame-based chat system work in
a web browser for the last company I worked for, all I kept asking
was: "This is silly. Why don't we just make a thin-client and do this
right?" The whole frames thing really is a serious band-aid, and generally
points out that one is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Bite the bullet. If your web app requires robust interaction, dump the
browser and do it right.

5 May 2004 - 12:26pm
12 years ago
3 replies
Brad Lauster

[OT] Not a competition, but...

For those of you who know what Orkut is:

Back when Orkut began, I created an Interaction Designers community[1].
Some of you are probably members.

Well, for the first time since Orkut's beginning, the population of the
Interaction Designers community has surpassed the population of the
Information Architects community.

We now have almost 700 members! ...just thought you might like to know.


--Brad Lauster

4 May 2004 - 3:14pm
12 years ago
1 reply
Susan Farrell

web design - frames

These are handy uses I had not considered, Craig. Thanks for those tips. It's important to be careful what you pass in HTML code, when money is involved though. I read last year or so in 2600, that a shopping cart that did something similar was getting hacked all the time by people who simply saved the page, changed the product price to what they wanted, and then completed the transaction.

I HATE frames, but there is one case in which they seem to be the lesser evil for design, IMO:


4 May 2004 - 2:33pm
Dave Malouf

web design (and frames)

Frames and web applications

At DCTM we used frames (7 of them) in our application. Oy! Did they ever
cause problems. I can go over the list but that would be too long.

Bookmarking and search WERE even in an internal enterprise application
issues that had to be delt with. Of course there are probably other
applications where these wouldn't be issues, so I'll concede, "it depends".

My main point of my post is in a relatively stable xHTML world ... Why
bother anyway?

-- dave

4 May 2004 - 1:53pm
12 years ago
3 replies
Jim Hoekema

why frames are bad

I guess I'm feeling perverse today, but those poor downtrodden frames need a
defender! David said:

The reasons that frames don't work:

1. harder on searchengines
2. bookmarking becomes difficult
3. calculating frame sizes isn't x-browser equal
4. frames the way implemented in the HTML does not map to user expectations
in terms of scrollbar layout and what not

Strictly speaking, items 1 and 2 don't work well in most web STRATEGIES, but
this does not mean that web pages with frames don't display their content
just fine.

4 May 2004 - 12:02pm
12 years ago
46 replies
Dave Collins

web design

Can anyone point me at a (recent) discourse on the merits of framed vs.
unframed web site design?

3 May 2004 - 12:32pm
robert strati

Vertical nav for flash site

Anyone know of some good and thin (20 pxl) examples of vertical side
navigation - or some really experimental nav. Especially done in Flash or
DHTML so it can expose full name of nav categories and sub categories.
Flyout stuff is okay, but looking for some examples of breaking the mold.

Rob Strati

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3 May 2004 - 12:03pm
Ben Speaks

Usability War Stories


Where I can find anecdotal examples of poor usability in practice? I
have plenty of HCI/Modern horror stories but I am looking for historic
examples (World War II maybe?) that go farther back historically (think
on the level Wiley E. Coyote and his misadventures with ACME products).

Findings will be summarized back to the group.

Ben Speaks

3 May 2004 - 10:11am
10 years ago
11 replies
Todd Warfel

Icon Designers

[apologies for the cross-post]

I'm looking for a good icon designer. I seem to recall someone posted a
Russian Icon Designer who had done some work for them not to long ago,
but can't remember which group I saw it in.

Any recommends?


Todd R.

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