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29 Jan 2004 - 6:12pm
10 years ago
2 replies
Peter Merholz

Really, You Should All Just Shut Up

and read

Designing for People by Henry Dreyfuss.\

And relish at how it was pretty much all figured out about 50 years ago
(well, written about then... I'm sure he was practicing as such long
before then). Process, terminology, skills, etc. etc.

I've been (slowly) writing my thoughts on it on my site

29 Jan 2004 - 5:47pm
10 years ago
2 replies
Casey Jones

IxD education

Can we create a web resource for IxD education?

I like to think that most people are like me - with the exception of decades
of study we'll never be experts in all the relevant fields. But with a bit
of guided instruction, we can become knowledgable in all or most relevant
areas, and we can become superior in 1 or 2.

29 Jan 2004 - 5:06pm

Wireframe Tools (Canvas). Was: How to Get Into ... Best Job Title

Just a side comment before we get back to our currently scheduled heated
discussion (or is it a flamefest now?).

> On Illustrator, yeah, I've heard the argument "Illustrator wasn't meant
> for multiple pages, InDesign was..." That's all well and good, but
> there's a very large audience using Illustrator for IA work. InDesign
> wasn't meant for drawing. What do you do when you have 80 drawings that
> you need to send to a client in a PDF? Make 80 .ai files and import
> them into InDesign - that's a workflow nightmare.

29 Jan 2004 - 5:04pm
Dave Malouf

ADMIN: Digest options (complaints received)

Hey there IxDers!

So funny, someone asked me about a month ago to look at the digest
functionality of our list and give him/her some advice about how to make it
work better for them. It was the first time I subscribed as a digest user
(never really saw the point if I have a folder w/ a filter; same effect,
better results) and realized what was happening.


29 Jan 2004 - 4:52pm
10 years ago
3 replies
Andrew Otwell

Re: aesthetics and objectivity

Bob Baxley wrote:

> I definitely take exception to this statement on two fronts. First, visual
> design is NOT subjective -- unless it's decoration, in which case it's not
> design.

29 Jan 2004 - 4:46pm
Andrei Herasimchuk

Quick Note

Quick note to everyone.

I am notoriously bad about proofing my messages. I can see after
reading back through my messages I'm doing "classic Andrei," which is
to say trailing off sentences, leaving out whole words, and not fixing
the numerous grammar and typographical errors. My apologies.

I tend to do a lot in the day, and cram email in between meetings and
other projects, so I tend to overlook these flaws more often than I
should. One of these days, I'll learn how to type correctly. (I type
using only five fingers, three on the left hand and two on the right.

29 Jan 2004 - 4:44pm
10 years ago
1 reply
Andrew Otwell

re: aesthetics and objectivity (was :: How to Get Into ... Best Job Title)

On Jan 29, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Todd R.Warfel wrote:

>> I would agree that Google is hardly a UI masterpiece from a visual
>> design perspective...

Why should it be? How and why might you change it?

One could say that Google, like eBay (and arguably like George W. Bush)
has a brand that explicitly minimizes sophistication and complexity.
Appearing not just straightforward, but a bit unsophisticated may in
fact be appealing to many users who equate subtle design with
"fancyness" or "highbrow".


29 Jan 2004 - 3:03pm
Todd Warfel

Re: Is Design an Objective Pursuit?

Part of me wishes visual design wasn't typically seen as so subjective.
But then again, part of me enjoys that.

I don't honestly believe that its entirely one or the other, but a
balance of both. And that's not to give a copout answer. My background
is in art - visual design. But my education is in English and Cognitive
Psych. My PhD work is in Information Science (Communications/HCI). So,
for me personally, I can see both the aesthetic arguments and harder,
scientific evidence arguments. It's a tough balance.

29 Jan 2004 - 2:22pm

: interface vs interaction [was: How to Get Into ... Best Job Title]

This discussion, which seems to have hit a soft spot with many of us,
reminded me of something that I'm sure will put a smile on your face.
It is from around 4 years ago, when it was trendy in the design community to
oppose Jakob "Useit" Nielsen.

29 Jan 2004 - 2:10pm
10 years ago
1 reply
Bob Baxley

Is Design an Objective Pursuit?


So you and I are hearing different stories about Apple. My sources
however are a bit out of date so I'll defer to yours. Either way, I
think we can agree that the determining factor in Apple's success is
the creative vision and leadership of Mr. Jobs.

As for visual design, while I agree that it is generally equated with
style, that doesn't mean it has to be. It is up to us as a community to
educate our clients and consumers about the real value and meaning of

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