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19 Jun 2006 - 7:22pm
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Simon Asselbergs
2005

Hi All,

Why are there so many job offerings in the USA (a lot of them for senior interaction designers). I haven't yet seen one in the neighbourhood of Germany or Belgium, or The Netherlands. I know there are some Dutch people on this list, so can someone explain me why this is the case? Is our profession more mature there, is it just a bigger population or is it just me ;-)

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19 Jun 2006 - 7:52pm
jstanford
2003

A long time ago when I graduated from college (1998) I decided that I wanted
to get an interaction design job in Europe and so I contacted Philips in the
Netherlands, Sony Paris, and IDEO UK directly and ended up getting
interviews and a few job offers. At the time, interaction design was not as
well known as it is now but yet there were clearly jobs to be had if you
contacted companies directly by searching on the web for the right people to
get in touch with. I suspect that now there are even more opportunties if
you just do some poking. I bet under the covers the market is red hot.

As an aside, due to personal reasons I did not end up accepting any job
offers to go overseas and stayed in California...but it sure would have been
fun...

Julie

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> Why are there so many job offerings in the USA (a lot of them
> for senior interaction designers). I haven't yet seen one in
> the neighbourhood of Germany or Belgium, or The Netherlands.
> I know there are some Dutch people on this list, so can
> someone explain me why this is the case? Is our profession
> more mature there, is it just a bigger population or is it just me ;-)
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20 Jun 2006 - 1:17am
Joannes Vandermeulen
2006

hello Simon, this is an answer from Belgium.

- In European academia and industry, HCI/UCD/UX is less a separate
discipline and often considered as part of the skillset that a
functional analyst or even a developer should possess. Agile approaches
to development are taking us there anyway, aren't they?

- One could argue that, in view of smaller user groups (Europe is not
yet a single market, certainly not language-wise), the ROI of usability
is harder to demonstrate.

- You may find a different situation in the U.K. So the strong
Anglosaxon origin of our discipline may play a role.

- HCI-related jobs may be hidden behind local words, such as the French
'infographiste', i.e. multimedia IA with graphic design. What would our
job be called in German? Something including 'Benutzerschnittstelle'
(user interface)?

Joannes

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Why are there so many job offerings in the USA (a lot of them for senior
interaction designers). I haven't yet seen one in the neighbourhood of
Germany or Belgium, or The Netherlands. I know there are some Dutch
people on this list, so can someone explain me why this is the case? Is
our profession more mature there, is it just a bigger population or is
it just me ;-)
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20 Jun 2006 - 3:02am
Anirudha Joshi
2003

Perhaps because (outside of US) this is percieved to be an
international list. Jobs usually go by location - country, even city.

For example, there is an Indian mailing list called HCIIDC <plug>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hciidc/ </plug> that has a bunch of job
posts for HCI / UX / Usabiliity (about 50 in a year) relevant to
India, along with other discussion. I see many of the job announcers
on HCIIDC posting otherwise on IxDG, but they don't post job
announcements here.

Intersting point though. Never noticed it before.

Interestingly, I do see F2F meeting announcement corss posts on both
lists, which are absolutely local. Explain that...

Anirudha

> Why are there so many job offerings in the USA (a lot of them for senior
> interaction designers). I haven't yet seen one in the neighbourhood of
> Germany or Belgium, or The Netherlands. I know there are some Dutch
> people on this list, so can someone explain me why this is the case? Is
> our profession more mature there, is it just a bigger population or is
> it just me ;-)

20 Jun 2006 - 3:10am
Peter Boersma
2003

Simon Asselbergs said:
> Why are there so many job offerings in the USA (a lot of them for
> senior interaction designers). I haven't yet seen one in the
> neighbourhood of Germany or Belgium, or The Netherlands.

At the recent SIGCHI.NL conference The Web and Beyond, we had a job board
overfowing with job openings
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/25743783@N00/164086879/). Some of them are
posted on the SIGCHI.NL website (http://www.sigchi.nl/page.asp?folder=87),
others on individual companies' sites (http://www.info.nl for example) and
others are communicated through informal networks (such as my Amsterdam IA
Cocktail Hours). Oh, and in the last month 26 openings containing the words
"interaction"and "design" were posted on Monsterboard
(http://jobsearch.monsterboard.nl/jobsearch.asp?q=interaction+design&re=13&sort=rv&tm=30d&cy=nl&vw=d).
So, although you may not see the offers posted on international lists such
as IxDA or the IA Job Board, there are positions available...

And yes, there is the issue of scale too.

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20 Jun 2006 - 6:05am
Dave Malouf
2005

If the question is, why aren't more northern/central European IxD jobs not
posted on this list I could answer this one way. If the question is why
arne't there as many IxD jobs there that's a completely different answer.

I'll answer the latter first. Some of these are redundant to what people
have already said.
Those areas do not offer the same size market as the US does. Even in the US
the markets are very bifurcated. Maybe from your perspective a job in NY is
the same as a job in CA but from ours it is very different and there are
3x's as many jobs for IxD in CA than in NY (as an example).

The other answer is probably as was stated in "title hiding". The titles
just don't match up. In the US we have been doing well to reduce the number
of titles but still struggle even behind titles as undesign like as business
analyst. The problem persists though. But even without that UX, UI, IA, etc.
are commonly used here to mean IxD or include IxD as a role in the job
description.

On the "list" side. We do not get a lot of European (non-Anglo) job openings
on this list. This could be about language, or density of the community on
the list. Though we have a very rich community in Sweden and participants
from almost every country in Europe, being an "English" language list
probably does limit our ability to have job postings across multiple
language markets.

We have on the resource library a list of places to look for job postings.
It would be nice if someone added to that resource international and
multi-lingual places for people to look for and post to for jobs.

We don't feel any strong need to be the primary resource for job posting, we
just want to make sure that those who want to find jobs/recruits are able to
find the right ones.

-- Dave

20 Jun 2006 - 6:39am
John Gr√łtting
2006

I'll toss out another set of theories here.

Having lived in the US and now in Germany, I have noticed some
differences. Firstly, in the US there is greater emphasis on issues
of marketing and design (the human side of products) than in Germany,
where there is greater emphasis on engineering (technical
excellence). A great example of this is Adidas. Although they created
the market for sports shoes, they became a small player beside
newcomer Nike. Nike was all about marketing. For years, Adidas
believed that because their products were technically the best for
sports, they should maintain business as usual. Eventually, they
realized that they needed to add emotion to their products, while
maintaining their technical superiority.

In general, I find less acknowledgement of design (aesthetic and
experiential) as a key success factor for business in Germany.

Additionally, having grown up in the Bay Area (Silicon Valley), I
have seen the high level of innovation that is concentrated in a very
small area. This entrepreneurial attitude has taken many good ideas
and made them even better. It has also helped the US build other
centers of excellence around software. Only in the culture of Silicon
Valley was Apple's operating system possible at the time that it came
into being. On one side, you have a very "new age" culture of the
50's and 60's in California that was trying to better understand the
human spirit. On the other side, you have a technology hot spot.
Where else could you see the early pioneers of computing technology
hanging out at Grateful Dead concerts? These two concepts merged and
became the cradle where human factors, information architecture,
experience design, etc. all matured rapidly.

There are other countries, where there has been great appreciation of
the psychology and the spirit of man. The overall attitude of each
culture towards these topics has influenced their approach to these
professions. In Germany, there has always been an interest to
quantify the human pschy and therefore IxD is more geared towards an
engineering approach. Sweden, on the other hand, has always had a
greater connection to nature and the spiritual side of man and
therefore has been strong in combining the scientific with the more
aesthetic dimensions of our field.

John Grøtting

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20 Jun 2006 - 7:33am
Lada Gorlenko
2004

SA> so can someone explain me why this is the case?

Because an international list is not an effective medium for posting
local jobs. Local lists/job boards are suited much better for this.

Immigration matters aside, all subscribers of this list are potential
candidates for jobs in the US (read "English-speaking countries"),
because they speak English -- by definition.

I expect a good command of the local language be a must for an IxD job
in any location. Even when you work for a multinational, you have to
speak the local language, if your product relates to users in the
local market. This is not the case for developers, true. This must be
the case for an IxD/UX job, even if it's not always the case yet. You
can't do personas, business requirements, relationships with
stakeholders and everything else without the language. If you think
you do, you are a bad IxD, in my view.

So, what's the chance that readers of this list would speak German or
Italian? A much smaller one than the chance of finding the right
person on a local blog, list or site.

Lada

20 Jun 2006 - 8:37am
Jared M. Spool
2003

At 08:33 AM 6/20/2006, Lada Gorlenko wrote:
>Because an international list is not an effective medium for posting
>local jobs. Local lists/job boards are suited much better for this.

It seems to me the question needs to be turned from "Why aren't there jobs
on *this* list?" to "Where would I go if I wanted a job outside the US?"

Beyond those already mentioned in India and the Netherlands, does anyone
have good resources for this?

Jared

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510 Turnpike Street, Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845
978 327-5561 jspool at uie.com http://www.uie.com
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20 Jun 2006 - 9:41am
Lada Gorlenko
2004

JMS> Beyond those already mentioned in India and the Netherlands, does
anyone
JMS> have good resources for this?

IxD/Design/UX job banks in the UK

-- OK-Cancel: http://jobs.ok-cancel.com/
-- Usability News: http://www.usabilitynews.com/
-- UK UPA: http://ukupa.org.uk/career/
-- MAD (Media, Art, Design): http://www.mad.co.uk/Main/Jobs/Default.html
-- Teaching IxD/ID/Media: http://www.jobs.ac.uk/sector/creative/

Lada

20 Jun 2006 - 11:59am
dszuc
2005

We try and post jobs in the region on www.usability.com.hk (see left hand
side panel on Home Page called - *Usability Job Postings*)

Rgds,

Daniel Szuc
Principal Usability Consultant
Apogee Usability Asia Ltd
www.apogeehk.com
'Usability in Asia'

-----Original Message-----
JMS> Beyond those already mentioned in India and the Netherlands, does
anyone
JMS> have good resources for this?

IxD/Design/UX job banks in the UK

-- OK-Cancel: http://jobs.ok-cancel.com/
-- Usability News: http://www.usabilitynews.com/
-- UK UPA: http://ukupa.org.uk/career/
-- MAD (Media, Art, Design): http://www.mad.co.uk/Main/Jobs/Default.html
-- Teaching IxD/ID/Media: http://www.jobs.ac.uk/sector/creative/

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20 Jun 2006 - 1:12pm
livlab
2003

Jared M. Spool wrote:
> Beyond those already mentioned in India and the Netherlands, does anyone
> have good resources for this?

For positions in Brazil (Note - They are all in Portuguese):

IAI (Portuguese/Brazilian list)
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/aifia-pt
mostly information architects and UX jobs posted

WDUse
http://10minutos.com.br/wdusabilidade.php
usability engineering, and general web development jobs posted

ClickJobs
http://clickjobs.com.br
Any digital media job

Cheers,
LL

20 Jun 2006 - 2:22pm
nhoh
2004

So my theory on this is that a lot of the jobs I see for Europe are more in the mobile space. On lists like mobile HCI and other mobile related ones I regularly see job postings for UI designers and IAs for the UK, France, Germany. So since this list doesn't have that much of a mobile bent it's not the place for recruiters or companies to post their open positions. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Cheers,

Nick

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