why stay at jobs that don't give you what you want need? (was Re: IxD Advice for Developers)

14 Jul 2006 - 10:03am
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Gustavo Gawry
2006

You really are lucky and you dont know...

I know that im quite young ( im only 20 yr old ), but i have been
working with internet since i was 16. As i was not satisfied with what
i was doing, I started to study HCI, Usability and Information
Architecture, and i really liked. I started to read in an unusualy
was... i read about 10 books in 6 months, whats is really impressive
for me ( i didnt had the habit of reading that much ). I did 2 courses
( one about Usability and the other about IA ) and now that i thought
i was at least better prepared to work as a Junior IA or something
similar, i still have to stay where i work, even thinking that i could
do much more...

Why? here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, there are only 2 usability
companies and REALLY few companies that care about that... In my case
it will be really hard to find a job in this field, because are to few
opportunities.. Even the courses and books are too few... And more
some people were talking about researches, here i never saw one...
Researches here are limitaded to few universities and companies ( like
those 2 i said before )
You all should be happy, you are much better then me.. :-/

2006/7/14, Dan Weese <dweese at caelumtechnology.com>:
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
> I agree. I have been looking, but I have a couple problems. I've been here 5
> years. I was brought in as a senior level VB developer and have been given
> healthy raises most years. About 2 years ago, we started transitioning to C
> Sharp. I am now considered a junior level C# developer, but my pay is at a
> level of a senior C# developer. Nobody will touch me unless I take a $25,000
> a year pay cut.
>
> So, I had to devise a different plan. I stopped looking for a job. The
> development at work is very minimal thanks to the CIO designing this
> "wizard" to make cookie cutter applications and almost eliminate any actual
> coding. If I showed the application to people on this list, they would
> probably implode into a pile of goo. It is possibly the absolute worst user
> experience I have ever seen. The initial main UI screen design was mine, but
> he took the entire application and serialized it into the database, which
> means every screen takes about 12 seconds to load because it first has to
> make a trip to the database to get the field definitions, locations, sizes,
> etc, and draw them. Then trip #2 gets the data for any lookups, then trip #3
> gets the actual data. And if we needed to make a feature perform in a
> certain way, if it involved actually writing code to make it work, he
> discarded the feature altogether, or reworked it until it fit into his
> wizard. I shudder to think what our 3000 users will do when we force them
> to "upgrade" to this new platform at the end of the year. They have no idea
> it's coming.
>
> But, I digress......
>
> Back to the plan.
>
> I do work on the side when I can. I decided to continue writing code at
> home, which right now is the only way I'm learning C#. I'm writing 2
> applications that have the potential to sell commercially, and in the
> process, my C# skills are getting closer to my pay grade. If all goes well,
> I'll have 2 options. I can go get a job somewhere else as a senior level
> developer and keep my pay, or my applications will sell commercially and I
> will quit altogether to devote full time to my new venture. At the very
> least, I'm learning C#.
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave (Heller) Malouf" <dave at ixda.org>
> To: <discuss at ixda.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:39 AM
> Subject: [IxDA Discuss] why stay at jobs that don't give you what you
> want/need? (was Re: IxD Advice for Developers)
>
>
> > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > material.]
> >
> > The previous thread about advice for developers and a conversation last
> > night at the NYC local gathering (more on that in a separate thread) I
> > had discussions with people who were really unhappy with their work
> > environments for various reasons.
> >
> > I'd like to put out there that voting with your feet is definitely an
> > option right now. There are way too many jobs out there. Recruiters are
> > even giving bonuses for referrals they are so desperate for good talent.
> >
> > I'm sure that Dan and others have reasons for staying, and that is
> > valid, but I wonder with this new bubble, do good designers really need
> > to put up with some of the non-designer bull that is out there?
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > -- dave
> >
> >
> > Dan Weese wrote:
> >> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> >> material.]
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the Practicum. I attended a 3 day
> >> seminar held at the San Jose Museum. It was a great class, and made me
> >> want
> >> to take the Practicum, but my company won't pay for it. As it was, I had
> >> to
> >> agree to take the class in lieu of a raise that year, and I still almost
> >> had
> >> to pay for my own hotel room. I knew this company would never let me put
> >> these skills into practice, but I took the class for the projects I do at
> >> home on my own time. It was worth it to me to pass up a raise to take the
> >> class.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >
> > --
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