Flash GUI on Phones

12 Feb 2007 - 2:03pm
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Dave Malouf
2005

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/89856045/

For people who aren't focused on the mobile world, you might want to
look at some of the coverage of the 3GSM that is going on in Barcelona
this week.

the above link is to coverage of a new PDA Phone from Samsung that is
really a Media/Phone (think iPhone). While it doesn't sport the
multi-touch screen that the iPhone proposes, it does have a
touchscreen, an innovative (well at least different) slider
keyboard--Samsung has really been pushing different layouts of
keyboards in their smart phones of late--and dig this, the GUI is
built on Flash. Yup, that's an Adobe Flash GUI for a phone.

Samsung had another announced smart phone using Flash:
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-13261-When+the+Korean+GOD+awake%2C+he+gives+us...+the+Samsung+Ultra+Smart+F700.html

so! to those who care, what is the advantage of using Flash over using
the native WM6 or Palm OS interface ingredients?

Is there anyone on the list playing with Flash for embedded software like this?

Does anyone know what the operator response to Flash interfaces have been?

I love the look of these screens, as they really pop and engage in
ways I haven't seen from Windows, Symbian, Palm, etc. and I'm sure the
interstitial motion is just great. But is there a cost to run an
emulated engine like this on these devices?

I'm sure there are a host of other questions, but I'm mostly concerned
with the design and design implementation issues of using Flash.

-- dave

--
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dave.ixd at gmail.com
http://synapticburn.com/

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12 Feb 2007 - 2:15pm
Ari
2006

i used to be the product manager for a company called oddcast. they develop
viral avatar technology and are making a big play with Flash lite for
interactive agents and other tools on mobile.

as for Flash lite - it's a vector-driven, resolution independent technology.
it will allow for a lot of existing content to be ported over more easily
than porting from Flash to J2ME.

UIs will be more dynamic since existing UIs on mobile devices are bitmapped
and pixel-oriented than vector and resolution independent.

the key obstacles are:

1) support - Flash lite is only big in Asia and has yet to make a splash in
Europe or the US
2) hardware speed - Flash is more CPU intensive than J2ME, BREW, Palm OS or
even Symbian-based devices which are pixel and character oriented
3) display quality - Flash uses anti-aliasing and mobile devices will need
to rival laptops in terms of color fidelity and resolution to make Flash
more viable

On 2/12/07, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:
>
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/89856045/
>
> For people who aren't focused on the mobile world, you might want to
> look at some of the coverage of the 3GSM that is going on in Barcelona
> this week.
>
> the above link is to coverage of a new PDA Phone from Samsung that is
> really a Media/Phone (think iPhone). While it doesn't sport the
> multi-touch screen that the iPhone proposes, it does have a
> touchscreen, an innovative (well at least different) slider
> keyboard--Samsung has really been pushing different layouts of
> keyboards in their smart phones of late--and dig this, the GUI is
> built on Flash. Yup, that's an Adobe Flash GUI for a phone.
>
> Samsung had another announced smart phone using Flash:
>
> http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-13261-When+the+Korean+GOD+awake%2C+he+gives+us...+the+Samsung+Ultra+Smart+F700.html
>
>
> so! to those who care, what is the advantage of using Flash over using
> the native WM6 or Palm OS interface ingredients?
>
> Is there anyone on the list playing with Flash for embedded software like
> this?
>
> Does anyone know what the operator response to Flash interfaces have been?
>
> I love the look of these screens, as they really pop and engage in
> ways I haven't seen from Windows, Symbian, Palm, etc. and I'm sure the
> interstitial motion is just great. But is there a cost to run an
> emulated engine like this on these devices?
>
> I'm sure there are a host of other questions, but I'm mostly concerned
> with the design and design implementation issues of using Flash.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> --
> David Malouf
> dave.ixd at gmail.com
> http://synapticburn.com/
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15 Feb 2007 - 10:05am
mtumi
2004

Many people have been waiting - and waiting - for Flash to get to the
point that there are devices readily available with the latest player.

Recently Verizon came on board, and I think the symbian 60 phones
from nokia should also have flash lite 2.

This is a good site to keep an eye on. Maybe Bill Perry can help you
if you drop him a line.
http://www.flashdevices.net/

Please let me know if you find out anything interesting...

Michael

PS: Steve Jobs said the iPhone will NOT do flash (rats!)

On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:03 PM, David Malouf wrote:

> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/89856045/
>
> For people who aren't focused on the mobile world, you might want to
> look at some of the coverage of the 3GSM that is going on in Barcelona
> this week.
>
> the above link is to coverage of a new PDA Phone from Samsung that is
> really a Media/Phone (think iPhone). While it doesn't sport the
> multi-touch screen that the iPhone proposes, it does have a
> touchscreen, an innovative (well at least different) slider
> keyboard--Samsung has really been pushing different layouts of
> keyboards in their smart phones of late--and dig this, the GUI is
> built on Flash. Yup, that's an Adobe Flash GUI for a phone.
>
> Samsung had another announced smart phone using Flash:
> http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-13261-When+the+Korean+GOD
> +awake%2C+he+gives+us...+the+Samsung+Ultra+Smart+F700.html
>
>
> so! to those who care, what is the advantage of using Flash over using
> the native WM6 or Palm OS interface ingredients?
>
> Is there anyone on the list playing with Flash for embedded
> software like this?
>
> Does anyone know what the operator response to Flash interfaces
> have been?
>
> I love the look of these screens, as they really pop and engage in
> ways I haven't seen from Windows, Symbian, Palm, etc. and I'm sure the
> interstitial motion is just great. But is there a cost to run an
> emulated engine like this on these devices?
>
> I'm sure there are a host of other questions, but I'm mostly concerned
> with the design and design implementation issues of using Flash.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> --
> David Malouf
> dave.ixd at gmail.com
> http://synapticburn.com/
> ________________________________________________________________
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15 Feb 2007 - 10:35am
Jack Skates
2006

I believe Macromedia had developed a Flash based mobile platform that was
huge in European phones... Anyone else know anything about this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:mt at motiontek.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:06 AM
To: David Malouf
Cc: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash GUI on Phones

Many people have been waiting - and waiting - for Flash to get to the point
that there are devices readily available with the latest player.

Recently Verizon came on board, and I think the symbian 60 phones from nokia
should also have flash lite 2.

This is a good site to keep an eye on. Maybe Bill Perry can help you if you
drop him a line.
http://www.flashdevices.net/

Please let me know if you find out anything interesting...

Michael

PS: Steve Jobs said the iPhone will NOT do flash (rats!)

On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:03 PM, David Malouf wrote:

> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/89856045/
>
> For people who aren't focused on the mobile world, you might want to
> look at some of the coverage of the 3GSM that is going on in Barcelona
> this week.
>
> the above link is to coverage of a new PDA Phone from Samsung that is
> really a Media/Phone (think iPhone). While it doesn't sport the
> multi-touch screen that the iPhone proposes, it does have a
> touchscreen, an innovative (well at least different) slider
> keyboard--Samsung has really been pushing different layouts of
> keyboards in their smart phones of late--and dig this, the GUI is
> built on Flash. Yup, that's an Adobe Flash GUI for a phone.
>
> Samsung had another announced smart phone using Flash:
> http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-13261-When+the+Korean+GOD
> +awake%2C+he+gives+us...+the+Samsung+Ultra+Smart+F700.html
>
>
> so! to those who care, what is the advantage of using Flash over using
> the native WM6 or Palm OS interface ingredients?
>
> Is there anyone on the list playing with Flash for embedded software
> like this?
>
> Does anyone know what the operator response to Flash interfaces have
> been?
>
> I love the look of these screens, as they really pop and engage in
> ways I haven't seen from Windows, Symbian, Palm, etc. and I'm sure the
> interstitial motion is just great. But is there a cost to run an
> emulated engine like this on these devices?
>
> I'm sure there are a host of other questions, but I'm mostly concerned
> with the design and design implementation issues of using Flash.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> --
> David Malouf
> dave.ixd at gmail.com
> http://synapticburn.com/
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16 Feb 2007 - 10:53am
mtumi
2004

That would be Flash lite or maybe flash cast.

http://www.adobe.com/mobile/solutions/flashcast/

if you check the list of supported devices, you'll see that europe
and japan are more well-represented to date:

http://www.adobe.com/mobile/supported_devices/

Michael

On Feb 15, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Jack Skates wrote:

> I believe Macromedia had developed a Flash based mobile platform
> that was
> huge in European phones... Anyone else know anything about this?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tuminello [mailto:mt at motiontek.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:06 AM
> To: David Malouf
> Cc: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash GUI on Phones
>
> Many people have been waiting - and waiting - for Flash to get to
> the point
> that there are devices readily available with the latest player.
>
> Recently Verizon came on board, and I think the symbian 60 phones
> from nokia
> should also have flash lite 2.
>
> This is a good site to keep an eye on. Maybe Bill Perry can help
> you if you
> drop him a line.
> http://www.flashdevices.net/
>
> Please let me know if you find out anything interesting...
>
> Michael
>
> PS: Steve Jobs said the iPhone will NOT do flash (rats!)
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2007, at 2:03 PM, David Malouf wrote:
>
>> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/89856045/
>>
>> For people who aren't focused on the mobile world, you might want to
>> look at some of the coverage of the 3GSM that is going on in
>> Barcelona
>> this week.
>>
>> the above link is to coverage of a new PDA Phone from Samsung that is
>> really a Media/Phone (think iPhone). While it doesn't sport the
>> multi-touch screen that the iPhone proposes, it does have a
>> touchscreen, an innovative (well at least different) slider
>> keyboard--Samsung has really been pushing different layouts of
>> keyboards in their smart phones of late--and dig this, the GUI is
>> built on Flash. Yup, that's an Adobe Flash GUI for a phone.
>>
>> Samsung had another announced smart phone using Flash:
>> http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-13261-When+the+Korean+GOD
>> +awake%2C+he+gives+us...+the+Samsung+Ultra+Smart+F700.html
>>
>>
>> so! to those who care, what is the advantage of using Flash over
>> using
>> the native WM6 or Palm OS interface ingredients?
>>
>> Is there anyone on the list playing with Flash for embedded software
>> like this?
>>
>> Does anyone know what the operator response to Flash interfaces have
>> been?
>>
>> I love the look of these screens, as they really pop and engage in
>> ways I haven't seen from Windows, Symbian, Palm, etc. and I'm sure
>> the
>> interstitial motion is just great. But is there a cost to run an
>> emulated engine like this on these devices?
>>
>> I'm sure there are a host of other questions, but I'm mostly
>> concerned
>> with the design and design implementation issues of using Flash.
>>
>> -- dave
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Malouf
>> dave.ixd at gmail.com
>> http://synapticburn.com/
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org List Guidelines
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