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23 Mar 2007 - 12:15pm
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Nasir Barday
2006

I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
set to work with a stack of typing paper.

Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.

Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
well to those of you attending.

- Nasir

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23 Mar 2007 - 12:26pm
Cecily Walker
2006

I thought I was the only one who enjoyed the whole pencil/paper step
when it comes to designing interfaces. But I must admit - I prefer Bic
mechanical pencils to the old No. 2. They keep a much sharper edge.

I also like graph paper /squared paper for sketching because it helps
me make my boxes a little more precise.

- Cecily, who keeps a stash of Moleskine squared journals and Bic
pencils in her desk where nobody else can get to them. ;-)

23 Mar 2007 - 12:31pm
Nathan Moody
2004

I couldn't agree more. Pencils, pens, paper, OmniGraffle, Visio, et
multiple cetera...they're all just tools, and all tools have their
charms and limitations on the creative process. Rediscovering one
often can feel invigorating.

Who'd have thought I'd be using an illustration degree to design
pixels...

-Nathan

23 Mar 2007 - 12:37pm
ldebett
2004

=) Awesome.

I, personally, like to snag a few pieces of 11x17 out of the printer, a cup
of hot coffee, a #2 and a big fat eraser, and find a cozy spot far away from
any computer to do my sketching.

It's quite cathartic, isn't it?

~Lisa

23 Mar 2007 - 12:54pm
Todd Roberts
2005

I took advantage of our remaining budget last year to buy a drawer
full of 11x14 sketch pads. I stay away from computers for as long as
possible.

I'm curious if you all are picky about your drawing tools. I have been
using a Pentel PG305 pencil for the past 12+ years, which apparently I
can only get from Eastern European auction sites now. I'll probably
cry if mine breaks. Also, I only use Pilot VBall Grip pens. Usually
I'm not that retentive, just with writing instruments.

On 3/23/07, Lisa deBettencourt <ldebett at gmail.com> wrote:
> =) Awesome.
>
> I, personally, like to snag a few pieces of 11x17 out of the printer, a cup
> of hot coffee, a #2 and a big fat eraser, and find a cozy spot far away from
> any computer to do my sketching.
>
> It's quite cathartic, isn't it?
>
> ~Lisa
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23 Mar 2007 - 12:53pm
.pauric
2006

on moleskines: here's a few modifications I make to mine that help me take
down ideas where/when they happen, namely tags, a pencil holder and pencil
sharpener
<http://www.instructables.com/id/ETYIJBZAN3EP286BD3/>

on " Pencils, pens, paper, OmniGraffle, Visio, et
multiple cetera...they're all just tools, and all tools have their
charms and limitations on the creative process."

I've found that the tool you use can have a impact on the look of the final
design. A page spec'd out in viso will look subtlety different to one
create in omnigraffle and this does effect the final product. Its good to
mix it up.

23 Mar 2007 - 1:17pm
Mark Schraad
2006

You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make the mistake now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable medium.

Mark

On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday" <nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
>I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
>office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
>unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
>sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
>set to work with a stack of typing paper.
>
>Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
>refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
>Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
>Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
>I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
>
>Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
>well to those of you attending.
>
>- Nasir
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23 Mar 2007 - 1:28pm
Brett Williams
2006

I use both . . . my good ol' trusty Mac, as well as "old-school" pen
and paper. In fact, I created a template that I use to quickly get
those ideas out of my head and onto the paper. It has a browser
skeleton, with shell navigation, and homemade grid lines . . . I keep
a stash of these printed sheets handy in my desk, in my briefcase and
at home . . . you never know when that light bulb will go off!

Also, in response to previous thread . . . I prefer mechanical
pencils too. :-)

bw

Brett Williams
"Perfectly Middle-Brained"

On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Mark Schraad wrote:

> You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make
> the mistake now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable
> medium.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday"
> <nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
>> I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
>> office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
>> unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
>> sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
>> set to work with a stack of typing paper.
>>
>> Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
>> refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
>> Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
>> Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
>> I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
>>
>> Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
>> well to those of you attending.
>>
>> - Nasir
>> ________________________________________________________________
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23 Mar 2007 - 1:38pm
natekendrick
2005

I recommend Adobe Illustrator.

On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:53 AM, pauric wrote:

> I've found that the tool you use can have a impact on the look of
> the final
> design. A page spec'd out in viso will look subtlety different to one
> create in omnigraffle and this does effect the final product. Its
> good to
> mix it up.

23 Mar 2007 - 1:40pm
sajid saiyed
2005

Interesting thread.
This makes me think about another related issue.

Its related to people who use the computer more often then paper/pencil.

When such a person wants to go back to the good old paper/pencil
sketching, how easy or difficult it is for him/her to change the way
of thinking when the medium changes.

One aspect is speed. While we are working with computer, we think
fast, actions don't take so much time. Whereas, working with pen/paper
requires certain amount of time to put your thoughts on paper.

Similarly there could be more things.

Just wanted to know if anyone has any feedback on this or details
about studies done in this area or anything interesting to share on
this aspect.

-- sajid

On 3/24/07, Brett Williams <neobrett at mailforce.net> wrote:
> I use both . . . my good ol' trusty Mac, as well as "old-school" pen
> and paper. In fact, I created a template that I use to quickly get
> those ideas out of my head and onto the paper. It has a browser
> skeleton, with shell navigation, and homemade grid lines . . . I keep
> a stash of these printed sheets handy in my desk, in my briefcase and
> at home . . . you never know when that light bulb will go off!
>
> Also, in response to previous thread . . . I prefer mechanical
> pencils too. :-)
>
> bw
>
> Brett Williams
> "Perfectly Middle-Brained"
>
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Mark Schraad wrote:
>
> > You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> > conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> > preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make
> > the mistake now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable
> > medium.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday"
> > <nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
> >> I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
> >> office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
> >> unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
> >> sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
> >> set to work with a stack of typing paper.
> >>
> >> Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
> >> refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
> >> Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
> >> Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
> >> I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
> >>
> >> Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
> >> well to those of you attending.
> >>
> >> - Nasir
> >> ________________________________________________________________
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23 Mar 2007 - 1:39pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Brett Williams wrote:

> It has a browser
> skeleton, with shell navigation, and homemade grid lines . . . I keep
> a stash of these printed sheets handy in my desk...

I do almost exactly the same thing. I have various versions for
specific purposes. Very rarely do I start any design on the screen.
It's usually those sketches that I first show our developers to get
their input on the technical aspects of the design.

Mechanical pencils and a red uni-ball for mark-up.

Best,
Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

I am in search of the
simple elegant seductive
maybe even obvious IDEA.
With this in my pocket
I cannot fail.

- Tibor Kalman

23 Mar 2007 - 1:49pm
Brett Williams
2006

Jack, sounds very eerily similar . . . are you me???

Also, Sajid, I disagree . . . My ideas flow very fast with pencil &
paper (faster then using computer - although I absolutely am a Grade
A expert computer user) . . . especially with brand new concepts, its
almost like there is nothing at all hindering the creative flow from
my brain to the paper . . . whereas using computer-based tools, there
are movements, clicks, selections, sizing, shaping, etc. . . . the
end product will look "cleaner" using computer-based tools, but I
don't use that as my first step.

Regards,

bw

Brett Williams
"Poor Man's DaVinci"

On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Jack Moffett wrote:

>
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Brett Williams wrote:
>
>> It has a browser
>> skeleton, with shell navigation, and homemade grid lines . . . I keep
>> a stash of these printed sheets handy in my desk...
>
> I do almost exactly the same thing. I have various versions for
> specific purposes. Very rarely do I start any design on the screen.
> It's usually those sketches that I first show our developers to get
> their input on the technical aspects of the design.
>
> Mechanical pencils and a red uni-ball for mark-up.
>
> Best,
> Jack
>
>
> Jack L. Moffett
> Interaction Designer
> inmedius
> 412.459.0310 x219
> http://www.inmedius.com
>
> I am in search of the
> simple elegant seductive
> maybe even obvious IDEA.
> With this in my pocket
> I cannot fail.
>
> - Tibor Kalman
>
>
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23 Mar 2007 - 2:03pm
Leisa Reichelt
2006

another vote for pencil and paper here.

I don't know how anyone starts designing in Visio, or anywhere near a
computer actually. Particularly when I'm doing 'new' or complex work I
do quite a lot of work and generally a few iterations on paper before
I go anywhere near a computer.

I find it much faster and I find I get much better design outcomes
working that way,

________________________
Leisa Reichelt
Contextual Research & User Centred Design

leisa.reichelt at gmail.com
www.disambiguity.com

23 Mar 2007 - 2:04pm
adamya ashk
2004

Ah, the magic of pencil on paper...:-)

I constantly reach for both to solve those 'tricky' interaction
issues. I also dislike erasers and use a pencil lightly. Then go over
the final drawing with a felt tip pen. Many times, due to lack of
time, I've just handed out this 'inked' drawing and if things are
explained well with the help of notes it works quite well.

I've found similar output can be achieved through cleaned up digital
photographs of the white board.

Happy Friday!!

On 3/23/07, Todd Roberts <trrobert at gmail.com> wrote:
> I took advantage of our remaining budget last year to buy a drawer
> full of 11x14 sketch pads. I stay away from computers for as long as
> possible.
>
> I'm curious if you all are picky about your drawing tools. I have been
> using a Pentel PG305 pencil for the past 12+ years, which apparently I
> can only get from Eastern European auction sites now. I'll probably
> cry if mine breaks. Also, I only use Pilot VBall Grip pens. Usually
> I'm not that retentive, just with writing instruments.
>
> On 3/23/07, Lisa deBettencourt <ldebett at gmail.com> wrote:
> > =) Awesome.
> >
> > I, personally, like to snag a few pieces of 11x17 out of the printer, a cup
> > of hot coffee, a #2 and a big fat eraser, and find a cozy spot far away from
> > any computer to do my sketching.
> >
> > It's quite cathartic, isn't it?
> >
> > ~Lisa
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23 Mar 2007 - 2:32pm
Nasir Barday
2006

Cathartic indeed :). Though I use tea and rely on the built-in eraser
(thanks to my 2nd-grade teacher, Mrs. Bradford, for showing us how to
"clean" our erasers to keep them from making icky smudges).

I'll probably become a Mac user when Apple comes out with a tablet. I
do still like the physical interaction of graphite/ink on paper--
there's something satisfying about the friction that
plastic-on-plastic action can't quite match. In the mean time, I do
non-web stuff, and projects are all over the place, so I'm stocking my
toolchest with blank paper, and two #2 pencils, one dull and one
sharp. Mechanicals, for me, are too hard to erase and I break the lead
too easily. I think I decided that in 8th grade. I'm pretty sure I'm
an edge case ...

I took a chance and showed my drawings in a meeting, and no one seemed
to mind the graphite-lines-on-color-screenshot look. Score! This
company really has come around over the past few years... *proud*.

I learned everything I need to know about design in Middle School :).
- Nasir

23 Mar 2007 - 2:37pm
Christine Boese
2006

Along these same lines, I would like to inquire (as someone not experienced
with this particular user interface) as to what makes the "Moleskine squared
journals" superior to other products?

I was thinking of buying one, you see, and upon looking at little web
pictures, I have no sense of what would make it worth buying. Many people
here seem familiar with the particular values of this medium.

Chris

On 3/23/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
>
> You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make the mistake
> now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable medium.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday" <
> nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
> >I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
> >office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
> >unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
> >sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
> >set to work with a stack of typing paper.
> >
> >Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
> >refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
> >Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
> >Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
> >I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
> >
> >Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
> >well to those of you attending.
> >
> >- Nasir
> >________________________________________________________________
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23 Mar 2007 - 2:43pm
.pauric
2006

Moleskine squared is akin to graph paper and aids drawing straight lines if
you're not that way inclined.

I carry both plain and squared around. Recommend gel pens and 4hb pencils
for the moleksine paper.

Give them a try, if you dont like them you've not wasted too much money.

On 3/23/07, Christine Boese <christine.boese at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Along these same lines, I would like to inquire (as someone not
> experienced
> with this particular user interface) as to what makes the "Moleskine
> squared
> journals" superior to other products?
>
> I was thinking of buying one, you see, and upon looking at little web
> pictures, I have no sense of what would make it worth buying. Many people
> here seem familiar with the particular values of this medium.
>
> Chris
>
> On 3/23/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> > conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> > preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make the
> mistake
> > now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable medium.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday" <
> > nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
> > >I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
> > >office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
> > >unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
> > >sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
> > >set to work with a stack of typing paper.
> > >
> > >Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
> > >refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
> > >Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
> > >Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
> > >I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
> > >
> > >Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
> > >well to those of you attending.
> > >
> > >- Nasir
> > >________________________________________________________________
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23 Mar 2007 - 2:48pm
Christine Boese
2006

I guess it's the devotion to Moleskine that I was wondering about. Is that
anything like what you put on your toe if you got a blister in your shoe?

Chris

On 3/23/07, pauric <radiorental at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Moleskine squared is akin to graph paper and aids drawing straight lines
> if you're not that way inclined.
>
> I carry both plain and squared around. Recommend gel pens and 4hb pencils
> for the moleksine paper.
>
> Give them a try, if you dont like them you've not wasted too much money.
>
> On 3/23/07, Christine Boese < christine.boese at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Along these same lines, I would like to inquire (as someone not
> > experienced
> > with this particular user interface) as to what makes the "Moleskine
> > squared
> > journals" superior to other products?
> >
> > I was thinking of buying one, you see, and upon looking at little web
> > pictures, I have no sense of what would make it worth buying. Many
> > people
> > here seem familiar with the particular values of this medium.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On 3/23/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> > > conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> > > preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make the
> > mistake
> > > now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable medium.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday" <
> > > nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
> > > >I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
> > > >office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
> > > >unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
> > > >sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
> > > >set to work with a stack of typing paper.
> > > >
> > > >Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
> > > >refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
> > > >Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
> > > >Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
> > > >I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
> > > >
> > > >Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
> > > >well to those of you attending.
> > > >
> > > >- Nasir
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23 Mar 2007 - 2:52pm
dcooney at umich.edu
2006

I just had one of these "must use pencil" moments yesterday! It was at
the moment of initial design, when I needed to move fast, and just
wanted to "fail fast" and get thoughts out of my head.

I did find that I wanted to automatically copy the navigation and other
repeated elements on to the next sheet - habitually wanting them all to
update when I determined a global change was needed. Someone mentioned
using a tablet, and I suppose that might be the middle ground for this
need.

Dan

Quoting Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com>:

> You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make the
> mistake now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable
> medium.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday"
> <nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
>> I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
>> office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
>> unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
>> sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
>> set to work with a stack of typing paper.
>>
>> Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
>> refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
>> Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
>> Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
>> I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
>>
>> Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
>> well to those of you attending.
>>
>> - Nasir
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23 Mar 2007 - 2:57pm
Nathan Moody
2004

Christine's question about Moleskines and Todd's question about being
picky with drawing tools, along with the general enthusiasm about
this thread definitely calls out the emotional fetishism that's so
easy to fall into when selecting writing and drawing tools. I got
bitten by this in college; I could use #2B's on butcher paper or I
could use a 0.3mm Rotring mechanical pencil on Rieves BFK printmaking
paper...while the marks would be somewhat similar, the tactile
feeling is altogether different, and IMHO habit-forming. We have
arguments here who can find the smallest ballpoints in SF's
Japantown. This fetishism has always fascinated me, as I fall into it
all the time, and I think that's why the Moleskine brand loyalty
thing has taken off. Is our sense of touch that refined, or are we
just that snobby? :-)

(By the way, for any graphics tablet users out there, it's that
tactile thing that I struggled with for years on my Wacom...plastic
on plastic never felt right. But if you buy heavily toothed paper
and tape it to the tablet, the signal goes right through and it feels
a lot closer to drawing on actual paper. You have to refresh the page
from time to time to eliminate the inevitable grooves you leave in
it, but I've found that it allows me to draw directly into the
computer much more successfully.)

23 Mar 2007 - 2:59pm
Nasir Barday
2006

dcooney at umich.edu wrote:
> I did find that I wanted to automatically copy the navigation and other
> repeated elements on to the next sheet - habitually wanting them all to
> update when I determined a global change was needed.

It's not too far a leap from "rough sketch" to paper prototype :-).
You can do global navigation by using a separate, larger page, or cut
out smaller pieces and sketch on those, swapping them in and out of
the content area as you "navigate" the site. Then making a "global"
change still only happens in one spot.

- N

23 Mar 2007 - 3:22pm
Mark Schraad
2006

;-) Moleskin square - half letter size and horizontal only - no pens other than a uniball vision micro in black. but, I'm not picky, really.

Mark

On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 04:49PM, "Christine Boese" <christine.boese at gmail.com> wrote:
>I guess it's the devotion to Moleskine that I was wondering about. Is that
>anything like what you put on your toe if you got a blister in your shoe?
>
>Chris
>
>On 3/23/07, pauric <radiorental at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Moleskine squared is akin to graph paper and aids drawing straight lines
>> if you're not that way inclined.
>>
>> I carry both plain and squared around. Recommend gel pens and 4hb pencils
>> for the moleksine paper.
>>
>> Give them a try, if you dont like them you've not wasted too much money.
>>
>> On 3/23/07, Christine Boese < christine.boese at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Along these same lines, I would like to inquire (as someone not
>> > experienced
>> > with this particular user interface) as to what makes the "Moleskine
>> > squared
>> > journals" superior to other products?
>> >
>> > I was thinking of buying one, you see, and upon looking at little web
>> > pictures, I have no sense of what would make it worth buying. Many
>> > people
>> > here seem familiar with the particular values of this medium.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On 3/23/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
>> > > conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
>> > > preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make the
>> > mistake
>> > > now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable medium.
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday" <
>> > > nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
>> > > >I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
>> > > >office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
>> > > >unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
>> > > >sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
>> > > >set to work with a stack of typing paper.
>> > > >
>> > > >Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
>> > > >refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
>> > > >Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
>> > > >Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
>> > > >I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
>> > > >
>> > > >Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
>> > > >well to those of you attending.
>> > > >
>> > > >- Nasir
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23 Mar 2007 - 3:31pm
gabefriedman
2007

sajid saiyed wrote:

>One aspect is speed. While we are working with computer, we think
>fast, actions don't take so much time. Whereas, working with pen/paper
>requires certain amount of time to put your thoughts on paper.
>
>
>

I find the opposite to be true. Because pencil and paper are so familiar
and informal, it takes no effort to begin sketching. With computers, on
the other hand, there's that slight barrier to free-flowing creativityh
(at least at the brainstorming stage we're talking about).

I think it has something to do with the fact that once you put something
on screen, for better or worse it feels a bit "fixed". The poster who
said that you can tell how a design began its life: visio or
omnigraffle. Whereas with pencil and paper, both the thought and the
drawing are easily thrown out and improved on.

Maybe because - at the end of the day - we recognize the computer as
something foreign, whereas everyone begins drawing before they can crawl!

23 Mar 2007 - 3:32pm
Nancy Broden
2005

In my own office I have noticed that the interaction designers favor
Moleskine squared, visual designer the Moleskine plain. Does that
speak to the ID's innate need for order, or rigidity, or something
else? Any thoughts?

-- Nancy
--------------------------------------
nancy.broden at gmail.com

On 3/23/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
> ;-) Moleskin square - half letter size and horizontal only - no pens other than a uniball vision micro in black. but, I'm not picky, really.
>
> Mark

23 Mar 2007 - 3:43pm
Nathan Moody
2004

I carry both, bungeed together, all the time: one for UI and one for
notes and freehand drawing. :-p

On Mar 23, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Nancy Broden wrote:

> In my own office I have noticed that the interaction designers favor
> Moleskine squared, visual designer the Moleskine plain. Does that
> speak to the ID's innate need for order, or rigidity, or something
> else? Any thoughts?
>
> -- Nancy
> --------------------------------------
> nancy.broden at gmail.com
>
> On 3/23/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
>> ;-) Moleskin square - half letter size and horizontal only - no
>> pens other than a uniball vision micro in black. but, I'm not
>> picky, really.
>>
>> Mark
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23 Mar 2007 - 3:00pm
adamya ashk
2004

> I learned everything I need to know about design in Middle School :).
> - Nasir
>
Me too! Only, I had to college for 8 years to prove it!!

Right on about the tea though. My poison is grown is in Darjeeling and I
prefer it black...

BTW, is someone using a tablet PC to sketch flows/wireframes? And if so how
do they find it?

-Adamya
Usability/IA Staples Inc.

23 Mar 2007 - 4:06pm
Cecily Walker
2006

Nathan's spot on. For me, Moleskines are fetish objects. Plus,
carrying around a little black notebook into meetings (when everyone
else is using the spiral notebooks that the company provides) makes
me feel like one of the snooty cool kids. ;-)

23 Mar 2007 - 7:01pm
Will Parker
2007

On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Todd Roberts wrote:
> I'm curious if you all are picky about your drawing tools. I have been
> using a Pentel PG305 pencil for the past 12+ years, which apparently I
> can only get from Eastern European auction sites now.

Not my particular cuppa, but a quick Google says http://
stores.ebay.com/ANDREYS-PENCILS has the PG305 for US$ 8, plus a
variety of other mechanical pencils on a rather fetishistic scale.

> I'll probably
> cry if mine breaks. Also, I only use Pilot VBall Grip pens. Usually
> I'm not that retentive, just with writing instruments.

Pilot G-2 Minis, Staedler 1.6mm Maxums, and the occasional Sanford
Uniball Gel Grip here.

The new love of my life paperwise is an Ampad 22-144 'Engineer's Comp
Pad'. (http://www.nextag.com/Ampad-Engineer-s-Comp-71179699/prices-
html). Each sheet has a grid printed on the back, and is just thin
enough to allow the grid to show through faintly on the front. Nice
margins for notes, good tooth for sketches, and just cheap enough to
prevent hesitation when it's time to decide between redrawing or
cutting up for paper prototyping.

- Will

Will Parker
wparker at ChannelingDesign.com

"The only people who value your specialist knowledge are the ones who
already have it." - William Tozier

23 Mar 2007 - 9:26pm
Todd Warfel
2003

I use a storyboard Moleskin, Pen, and 11x17 grided paper to start
every design. Paper is still the best tool in my book.

On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Cecily Walker wrote:

> - Cecily, who keeps a stash of Moleskine squared journals and Bic
> pencils in her desk where nobody else can get to them. ;-)

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
Partner, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
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In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice, they are not.

23 Mar 2007 - 9:55pm
Bill DeRouchey
2010

Agreed!

I was definitely stuck in starting designs onscreen until I was surrounded
by industrial designers. Sketch sketch sketch. Start with a volume of ideas
then whittle down. Starting at the computer makes it too easy to fall in
love with your first idea.

I tried Moleskines or similar but I like to sort and pile and stick the
ideas on the wall. I now gather unclaimed printouts from the printer, slice
them in half, 3-hole punch them and sketch in volume. I can sort and stack
and then bind in a half-size binder.

Then eventually, the computer.

Process questions are fun!

Bill

23 Mar 2007 - 2:49pm
aschechterman
2004

All, FWIW, had the chance to briefly test drive this tablet (below) . . .
very nice. But if Apple is truly going to unveil their own tablet in 2007
(rumors, rumors), I'd be inclined to wait for that one. - Andrew
Schechterman, Ph.D.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/10/modbook/index.php.

On 3/23/07, Nasir Barday <nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
>
> Cathartic indeed :). Though I use tea and rely on the built-in eraser
> (thanks to my 2nd-grade teacher, Mrs. Bradford, for showing us how to
> "clean" our erasers to keep them from making icky smudges).
>
> I'll probably become a Mac user when Apple comes out with a tablet. I
> do still like the physical interaction of graphite/ink on paper--
> there's something satisfying about the friction that
> plastic-on-plastic action can't quite match. In the mean time, I do
> non-web stuff, and projects are all over the place, so I'm stocking my
> toolchest with blank paper, and two #2 pencils, one dull and one
> sharp. Mechanicals, for me, are too hard to erase and I break the lead
> too easily. I think I decided that in 8th grade. I'm pretty sure I'm
> an edge case ...
>
> I took a chance and showed my drawings in a meeting, and no one seemed
> to mind the graphite-lines-on-color-screenshot look. Score! This
> company really has come around over the past few years... *proud*.
>
> I learned everything I need to know about design in Middle School :).
> - Nasir
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23 Mar 2007 - 10:01pm
aschechterman
2004

If not already seen, here's a nice hack for those of us who have
preference for larger format . . .

http://ninthwavedesigns.typepad.com/ninth_wave_designs/2005/09/moleskine_hack_.html

- Andrew Schechterman, Ph.D.

On 3/23/07, Todd Zaki Warfel <lists at toddwarfel.com> wrote:
> I use a storyboard Moleskin, Pen, and 11x17 grided paper to start
> every design. Paper is still the best tool in my book.
>
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> > - Cecily, who keeps a stash of Moleskine squared journals and Bic
> > pencils in her desk where nobody else can get to them. ;-)
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Todd Zaki Warfel
> Partner, Design & Usability Specialist
> Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
> ----------------------------------
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> Voice: (215) 825-7423
> Email: todd at messagefirst.com
> AIM: twarfel at mac.com
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24 Mar 2007 - 6:26am
vutpakdi
2003

dcooney at umich.edu wrote:
> I did find that I wanted to automatically copy the navigation and other
> repeated elements on to the next sheet - habitually wanting them all to
> update when I determined a global change was needed. Someone mentioned
> using a tablet, and I suppose that might be the middle ground for this
> need.
>
A TabletPC with something like Sketchbook Pro does work very well as a
middle ground. I've got a 3M screen protector on my Fujitsu TabletPC,
and the feel is pretty close to paper.

But, I still love paper too. I use these short fat mechanical pencils
(by Lamy, I think) and a heavyweight paper pad. The pencils are no
longer made (I think), but Levenger has something similar:
http://www.levenger.com/PAGETEMPLATES/PRODUCT/Product.asp?Params=Category=8-34-46|PageID=5397|Level=2-3-4|Link=PI|special=search|ID=SearchClicked|i=1

Levenger also has these large, 11x17" pads that look like they'd work
well. I've got a large stack of their no longer produced blank letter
sized pads, but if I were buying new pads, I'd probably get these:
http://www.levenger.com/PAGETEMPLATES/PRODUCT/Product.asp?Params=Category=322-323|Level=2-3|pageid=957|Link=Img

Unless it's something really simple or based on an existing pattern, I
almost always start with sketching of some sort.

Ron

24 Mar 2007 - 6:34am
vutpakdi
2003

adamya ashk wrote:
> BTW, is someone using a tablet PC to sketch flows/wireframes? And if so how
> do they find it?
>
>
Works very well in some ways. With a 3M screen protector and something
like Sketchbook Pro, the feel is very close to paper, and, you get to
use layers as well as reuse templates/versions. Sharing the files with
others is fairly easy too.

Something else that is handy is to be able to quickly take a screen
capture of something, mark it up, and then send the marked up version
off to others.

I recommend getting the screen protector film to improve the feel and
possibly one of the Cross pens for a more comfortable "writing"
implement. Both improve the experience.

What you don't get is the ability to lay out multiple versions or
drawings out over a large area and look at them all at once, quickly
making annotations on each. Of course, you can print them out, but you
don't get to make annotations/changes on each and see them all as
quickly or easily.

Ron

24 Mar 2007 - 9:34am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 23 Mar 2007, at 18:15, Nasir Barday wrote:
[snip]
> Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
> refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
> Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
> Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
> I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
[snip]

You'll have a hard time dragging me away from my whiteboards, paper,
post-it notes and index cards. I find them all _much_ more useful
than Visio, OmniGraffle, etc.

You may discover that that final stage of converting your paper to
Visio is unnecessary too.

Generally I find that making things look "sharp" is a waste of time
for me, and money for the client. There will certainly always be some
kinds of clients that will ignore anything that doesn't look
"professional" - but generally I find folk understand that the
purpose of these artefacts is to communicate, and a paper sketch does
this just as well as a neat visio diagram.

Cheers,

Adrian

24 Mar 2007 - 9:35am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 23 Mar 2007, at 20:59, Nasir Barday wrote:
[snip]
> It's not too far a leap from "rough sketch" to paper prototype :-).
> You can do global navigation by using a separate, larger page, or cut
> out smaller pieces and sketch on those, swapping them in and out of
> the content area as you "navigate" the site. Then making a "global"
> change still only happens in one spot.
[snip]

One trick I use is to draw the little interface components on post-it
notes that you can then stick onto your individual pages. Very easy
to switch and swap around then.

Cheers,

Adrian

24 Mar 2007 - 9:35am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 23 Mar 2007, at 19:40, sajid saiyed wrote:
[snip]
> One aspect is speed. While we are working with computer, we think
> fast, actions don't take so much time. Whereas, working with pen/paper
> requires certain amount of time to put your thoughts on paper.
[snip]

Curiously I find the complete opposite. I am much faster using paper
and pen than I am with a computer. I tend to obsess about the details
when given a omnigraffle (or whatever) and find myself tweaking
detail rather than getting the overall layout/design done.

Adrian

24 Mar 2007 - 9:35am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 23 Mar 2007, at 20:04, adamya ashk wrote:
[snip]
> I've found similar output can be achieved through cleaned up digital
> photographs of the white board.
[snip]

Indeed :-) I have this handy little app "Save My Whiteboard" on my
Mac that helps me square up digital snapshots of whiteboards/paper
that I can then e-mail to folk I can't work with directly.

Adrian

24 Mar 2007 - 1:50pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

> another vote for pencil and paper here.

Doesn't anyone use a whiteboard? Before I started working from home, I
had a 3' x 4' whiteboard on the cube wall behind my desk chair, and
I'd constantly just spin around and start drawing. If I needed to keep
something, I'd snap it with a small digital camera (small enough to
keep with me). Now I'm trying to find the wall space to replicate this
at home.

I take my Moleskine with me everywhere, and it's great when I'm away
from my computer (and for getting away from it on purpose), but at the
machine, there's nothing like having a whiteboard within arm's reach.

-r-

24 Mar 2007 - 1:53pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

> I'll probably become a Mac user when Apple comes out with a tablet.

Try using a graphics tablet with a little app called ArtRage (v2 right
now). I find this works pretty well.

-r-

24 Mar 2007 - 2:00pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

> I guess it's the devotion to Moleskine that I was wondering about. Is that
> anything like what you put on your toe if you got a blister in your shoe?

Hehe! Nah - that's a "moleskin", without the "e" at the end.

Moleskine is a brand of notebook. Been around for decades - Hemingway
and others reportedly used them. Simply put, they're beautifully
designed (rounded corners, solid black covers, cloth bookmark, and one
of those straps that holds the book closed), and they're very flexible
for converting them into more functional things than a simple
notebook. They also include a little accordion sleeve attached to the
inside back cover, which can be used to hold numerous things
(emergency cash, page dividers and bookmarks, notes from other places,
etc).

Google "moleskine hacks" and you'll see a ton of ways people have
adapted them. Some even use it instead of a PDA by using colored tab
dividers and such to split up the books into sections.

-r-

24 Mar 2007 - 2:04pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Mar 24, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:

> Doesn't anyone use a whiteboard?

A whiteboard is good for really loose, low detail sketches to get
ideas out quickly, but it can't be used in place of pencil and paper.

I think the Pen-it NOTES has a lot of potential. It's a bit pricey
though.

http://pen-it.com/Pen-it/Home.html
Video coverage from MacWorld Expo: http://www.twit.tv/mb59

Jack

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24 Mar 2007 - 2:08pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

> Plus,
> carrying around a little black notebook into meetings (when everyone
> else is using the spiral notebooks that the company provides) makes
> me feel like one of the snooty cool kids. ;-)

Ha! When you walk into a room with a Moleskine, you have immediate
solidarity with everyone else who uses one. It's like owning a Mini
Cooper, Vespa, or a Mac. Only the cool kids know how cool they are. :)

I'm kidding, of course, but I'm also not entirely wrong. There's
definitely a cult around Moleskine.

-r-

24 Mar 2007 - 9:41pm
DanP
2006

I'm with you Robert - I take my Moleskine everywhere to jot down
notes, sketches - everything! The computer is the ultimate
destination, but so far nothing has displaced good old pen and paper
for pure thinking. Moleskines have a tremendous following I've noticed.

On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:

>
> I take my Moleskine with me everywhere, and it's great when I'm away
> from my computer (and for getting away from it on purpose), but at the
> machine, there's nothing like having a whiteboard within arm's reach.

25 Mar 2007 - 10:39am
Michael Micheletti
2006

Hey Robert - thanks for the ArtRage recommendation. This is way fun on my
little Vista tablet. I'm deliberately not showing it to the other artists in
the house lest I not get my computer back before I have to fly on biz today.

I am also in the Moleskine camp longtime and have a half shelf of
sketchbooks dating back some years. I take serious notes in good meetings
and sketch in the others. I can't stand paper with lines on it so mine are
the blank ones. Sometimes I'll scan an image out of the sketchbook but
mostly I just jot down what I need to and then do a fancier version later in
photoshop or visio.

Michael

On 3/24/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. <rhoekmanjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'll probably become a Mac user when Apple comes out with a tablet.
>
> Try using a graphics tablet with a little app called ArtRage (v2 right
> now). I find this works pretty well.
>
>

25 Mar 2007 - 11:14am
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

> Hey Robert - thanks for the ArtRage recommendation.

Happy to help - it's a great little app, clearly designed for graphics tablets.

> I can't stand paper with lines on it so mine are
> the blank ones.

Have you seen the Moleskine Storyboard notebooks?

http://www.moleskines.com/klmb802.html

I didn't know about these until yesterday, and I ordered one
immediately. I've used templates exactly like this before, and it'll
be great to have them in a Moleskine.

-r-

25 Mar 2007 - 1:10pm
lachica
2006

One differenace that comes to mind is the ability that paper gives you to
switch very quickly from a big picture view to a detailed view. When I'm
making very large flow charts I generally have to get the overall
organization straight on paper so that I'm able to refer to the larger
structure when I'm working out the details on the computer.

Cheers,
Julie

On 3/23/07, sajid saiyed <sajid.id at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting thread.
> This makes me think about another related issue.
>
> Its related to people who use the computer more often then paper/pencil.
>
> When such a person wants to go back to the good old paper/pencil
> sketching, how easy or difficult it is for him/her to change the way
> of thinking when the medium changes.
>
> One aspect is speed. While we are working with computer, we think
> fast, actions don't take so much time. Whereas, working with pen/paper
> requires certain amount of time to put your thoughts on paper.
>
> Similarly there could be more things.
>
> Just wanted to know if anyone has any feedback on this or details
> about studies done in this area or anything interesting to share on
> this aspect.
>
> -- sajid
>
>
> On 3/24/07, Brett Williams <neobrett at mailforce.net> wrote:
> > I use both . . . my good ol' trusty Mac, as well as "old-school" pen
> > and paper. In fact, I created a template that I use to quickly get
> > those ideas out of my head and onto the paper. It has a browser
> > skeleton, with shell navigation, and homemade grid lines . . . I keep
> > a stash of these printed sheets handy in my desk, in my briefcase and
> > at home . . . you never know when that light bulb will go off!
> >
> > Also, in response to previous thread . . . I prefer mechanical
> > pencils too. :-)
> >
> > bw
> >
> > Brett Williams
> > "Perfectly Middle-Brained"
> >
> > On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Mark Schraad wrote:
> >
> > > You just made my friday! I get very tired of the tools/software
> > > conversation disrupting my design productivity. Paper and pen is my
> > > preference. It contributes to an iterations and "no fears", make
> > > the mistake now mentality. I like the committment of a non erasable
> > > medium.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > On Friday, March 23, 2007, at 02:15PM, "Nasir Barday"
> > > <nasir at userlicious.com> wrote:
> > >> I got frustrated with Visio the other day, so I wandered around the
> > >> office looking for pencils. Lo and behold, there was a stack of
> > >> unsharpened #2's and an electric sharpener right next to it! I
> > >> sharpened a few (the last I did that was 7th grade, I think ...) and
> > >> set to work with a stack of typing paper.
> > >>
> > >> Who knew that re-discovering ye old pencil-and-paper would be so
> > >> refreshing? Now I don't have to waste creative "sparks" on coaxing
> > >> Visio to give me what I want. Of course, I'm re-drawing it all in
> > >> Visio to make it look "sharp', but I'd rather wrangle with Visio when
> > >> I'm reproducing something rather than creating it.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, thought I'd share the happiness. Hope the IA Summit is going
> > >> well to those of you attending.
> > >>
> > >> - Nasir
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25 Mar 2007 - 2:40pm
.pauric
2006

Whiteboards: if you live in cubeworld its possible to mod the walls and add
more whitespace, I find the stock 3x4' too small.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauric/389334643/in/set-72157594498663838/

On 3/24/07, Robert Hoekman, Jr. <rhoekmanjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > another vote for pencil and paper here.
>
> Doesn't anyone use a whiteboard? Before I started working from home, I
> had a 3' x 4' whiteboard on the cube wall behind my desk chair, and
> I'd constantly just spin around and start drawing. If I needed to keep
> something, I'd snap it with a small digital camera (small enough to
> keep with me). Now I'm trying to find the wall space to replicate this
> at home.
>
> I take my Moleskine with me everywhere, and it's great when I'm away
> from my computer (and for getting away from it on purpose), but at the
> machine, there's nothing like having a whiteboard within arm's reach.
>
> -r-
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26 Mar 2007 - 9:33am
Greg Petroff
2004

Media have very different ways of establishing a dialogue with the
designer. Pencil on sktch is different then pencil on tracing paper.
Greese pencil brings commitment. Ink is additive. Sometimes the
accidents of our drawing inform us more then what we intended to start
drawing. This feedback loop is harder to create when using digital
tools. But it's not immpossible.

Computers excell when repetition is usefull for exploring an idea or
when composing parts in multiple variants. Sketching excells for
capturing ideas as they come to you, and drawing them out.

Some people are as facil in expressing their thinking with one media as
the other. The trick is to know how to use them to help you find the
"happy accidents" and let the media you are using inform your decisions.

One of the dangers of digital mockups is the resolution and fidelity of
them keeps others from seeing other opportunities and ideas within them.
Its why rough mock-ups / prototypes at the beginning often empower
people to create better ideas.

Also its an old architects trick but drawings that are more "fuzzy"
allow the designer to socialize an idea before it becomes concrete. The
soft edges of a pencil drawing, it's inprecise nature allow different
people to see slightly different viewpoints during the decision making
process. As the "ideas" of the project sink in and it becomes higher
fidelity the designer can bring the rest of the team or client along
with them. When presenting a "perfect" digital artifact even as a
wireframe it can be harder to do this. That's why architects have ways
in their digital tools to revert their computer drawn drawings back
toward the hand drawn. (Google sketchup as an example has the ability to
soften edges and they call it Non Realistic Rendering). Perhaps we need
some "fuz" tools as well.

And on final note. I can not remember the name but there are these
amazing "red" sktch books you can get in the UK that are not available
in the US. Anyone know what they are called?

--greg

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