JOB: Opsware

20 May 2004 - 5:50pm
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Andrei Herasimchuk
2004

On May 20, 2004, at 3:08 PM, David Heller wrote:

> Responsibilities:
> *Work directly for Director of Product Design

> Requirements:
> *A Masters or Ph.D degree in HF, HCI, IE or another related field and
> knowledge of industry practices and tools.

Anyone who has a masters or PhD here should have the Director of
Product reporting to them.

> *A minimum of two years experience creating true web applications. UI
> samples (or URLs) must be included with Resume submission.

I assume they think the person was in school so much they only had time
for 2 years worth of real work?

Andrei Herasimchuk
andrei at adobe.com

work: http://www.adobe.com
personal: http://www.designbyfire.com

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20 May 2004 - 6:18pm
Dave Malouf
2005

As someone who is applying for work, I usually just ignore the education
requirements event when it doesn't put under "preferred".

If the main part of the job is something I can do, I assume that is what
they mean.

-- dave

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On May 20, 2004, at 3:08 PM, David Heller wrote:

> Responsibilities:
> *Work directly for Director of Product Design

> Requirements:
> *A Masters or Ph.D degree in HF, HCI, IE or another related field and
> knowledge of industry practices and tools.

Anyone who has a masters or PhD here should have the Director of
Product reporting to them.

> *A minimum of two years experience creating true web applications. UI
> samples (or URLs) must be included with Resume submission.

I assume they think the person was in school so much they only had time
for 2 years worth of real work?

Andrei Herasimchuk
andrei at adobe.com

work: http://www.adobe.com
personal: http://www.designbyfire.com

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20 May 2004 - 6:22pm
Kevin Cheng
2004

>> Requirements:
>> *A Masters or Ph.D degree in HF, HCI, IE or another related field and
>> knowledge of industry practices and tools.

>Anyone who has a masters or PhD here should have the Director of
>Product reporting to them.

I'm curious why you think this? CMU, Stanford and numerous other programs
are churning out HCI masters graduates every year, many of whom go into the
program straight from undergrad and thus have no experience. Not to say all
are in that position (I'm in the opposite situation where my saying "I'm
graduating from my Masters this fall" seems to make people assume I have no
experience when the opposite is true) but it's certainly feasible for many
masters graduates to work beneath a director position.

Kevin Cheng (KC)
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On May 20, 2004, at 3:08 PM, David Heller wrote:

> Responsibilities:
> *Work directly for Director of Product Design

> Requirements:
> *A Masters or Ph.D degree in HF, HCI, IE or another related field and
> knowledge of industry practices and tools.

Anyone who has a masters or PhD here should have the Director of
Product reporting to them.

> *A minimum of two years experience creating true web applications. UI
> samples (or URLs) must be included with Resume submission.

I assume they think the person was in school so much they only had time
for 2 years worth of real work?

Andrei Herasimchuk
andrei at adobe.com

work: http://www.adobe.com
personal: http://www.designbyfire.com

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20 May 2004 - 7:21pm
Andrei Herasimchuk
2004

On May 20, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Kevin Cheng wrote:

>> Anyone who has a masters or PhD here should have the Director of
>> Product reporting to them.
>
> I'm curious why you think this? CMU, Stanford and numerous other
> programs
> are churning out HCI masters graduates every year, many of whom go
> into the
> program straight from undergrad and thus have no experience.

I was being a bit cynical, and reacting more to the PhD part than the
masters part. I'm not sure if I'm amused or saddened by the notion that
people who spend the amount of time in school for a Masters or PhD in
HCI or whatnot come out the other end reporting to people who spent
either the same amount or less amount of time in school but who have
control over what those HCI PhDs are expected to do. (Most Directors of
Product, or director level people, that I know have a Masters or less
in education, not a PhD, and it seems about 2/3 have formal business
school training.)

Just seems kind of backwards. If you have that level of training,
especially a PhD level, you should be in charge of the product's
design/creation. And if you don't have the experience, then what's the
point of the masters or PhD degree in the first place? That what it
seems like to me. Maybe the whole thing speaks more to the business
climate we work in more than anything else.

Andrei

20 May 2004 - 9:19pm
Gerard Torenvliet
2004

Andrei:

I have an advanced degree, and I have worked with many who have Ph.D.'s. The
reality is that advanced education does give you good depth to apply to
professional practice, but that depth generally is generally lacking in the
dimension of business acumen.

While I think that academia shouldn't be divorced from 'real world'
(politics and pain are just as real there), academia does work under
different constraints. When moving from academia to practice, it is even
possible that an advanced degree can hamper getting the necessary business
acumen to do a director-level job properly.

My plan is to skip director and go straight for CEO. :-)

Best regards,
-Gerard

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21 May 2004 - 2:03pm
Wendy Fischer
2004

I think that often who is in charge is based on
experience, personality, seniority, whom they know and
how well they do and how well they project an image.
The factors can vary from company to company.

Obviously, many companies has many designers with tons
of experience and masters and PHd's but are they all
in charge? It's often more the people who can politic,
manage people and manage projects. And often times as
is the case, there's people in charge who really
should be not be.

While a degree is a nice thing to have, I know many
excellent designers who don't have a Masters or PhD
or even an undergrad in HCI but can design excellent
products. I know people who don't have the required
degree but are excellent at managing people and
projects.

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