Today's Second Product Launch: Foleo

30 May 2007 - 1:56pm
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Dan Saffer
2003

< http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?creativ... >

Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
you a quarter.

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30 May 2007 - 2:07pm
Anne Hjortshoj
2007

I showed this to a friend, and he exclaimed, "it's like an oven for
your microwave!"

I think that's as useful a comparison as any. It's a dumbed-down
version of a laptop, and I think the target audience for this thing
would already have one of those.

-Anne

On 5/30/07, Dan Saffer <dan at odannyboy.com> wrote:
> <http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
> creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>
>
> Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
> you a quarter.
>
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30 May 2007 - 2:09pm
Josh
2006

>
> For people who don't want to spend $600 on an inexpensive laptop, they can
> spend $400 on a thin-client that makes their Treo's screen and keyboard
> bigger. Definitely acknowledges a significant user frustration w/
> smartphones, but seriously?
>

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Josh Viney
EastMedia Group
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30 May 2007 - 2:21pm
Jeffrey D. Gimzek
2007

On May 30, 2007, at 12:09 PM, Josh Viney wrote:

>>
>> For people who don't want to spend $600 on an inexpensive laptop,
>> they can
>> spend $400 on a thin-client that makes their Treo's screen and
>> keyboard
>> bigger. Definitely acknowledges a significant user frustration w/
>> smartphones, but seriously?

this space has been hashed out over and over and over, and thin
client "laptops" always fail - see SONY.

esp. as it has no new tech or coolness factor.

now, if this was a touchscreen that connected wirelessly through your
treo that allowed you to view wide screen content and video and surf
through it, and then also type on the screen itself for longer
emails, and was less than a half inch thick you'd have something cool.

it would be a big dumb iPhone, but it would be cool.

jd

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Jeffrey D. Gimzek
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30 May 2007 - 2:29pm
jayeffvee
2007

I'm waxing nostalgic about the fold-out full-sized keyboard I had for my
Palm, years ago. $99, and it was small enough to fit in the pocket of
painter's pants...

If they made a fold out screen that wasn't much bigger and cost another
$50, that'd make me happy. No syncing necessary: you use your Palm,
itself.

But a faux mini laptop for $500? Too big and too expensive.

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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Today's Second Product Launch: Foleo

>
> For people who don't want to spend $600 on an inexpensive laptop, they
can
> spend $400 on a thin-client that makes their Treo's screen and
keyboard
> bigger. Definitely acknowledges a significant user frustration w/
> smartphones, but seriously?
>

--
Josh Viney
EastMedia Group
http://www.eastmedia.com
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30 May 2007 - 2:38pm
cfmdesigns
2004

It's a bridge between the smart phone and the laptop, for when it's uncomfortable or impossible to have a full laptop at hand.

Of course, I don't have a smart phone and won't be getting one. The device may be a brick without a phone to provide the Internet connection.

But that bridge is why I bought a Nokia N800 a couple months ago, and then a Bluetooth keyboard to go with it. (Combo price $100 less than the Foleo.) Used it on a multi-day non-work trip to Atlanta this past weekend, and it was fine for most e-mail and web browsing, so long as I could get a WiFi signal. And the pair weighed a fraction of the laptop and could be put in my back pocket.

(The N800 doesn't yet have a suite of PIM software. Would be quite dandy and even more in the same space as Foleo when one is produced.)

-- Jim Drew
Seattle, WA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Saffer <dan at odannyboy.com>
>
><http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
>creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>
>
>Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
>you a quarter.

30 May 2007 - 2:57pm
Trip O'Dell
2007

Simple, its a portable wormhole to 1998. Looks like it comes pre-
installed with AOL - Bonus!

Trip O'Dell
Interaction Designer
www.tripodell.com
------------------------------
"Specialization is for insects..."
-Robert A. Heinlein

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>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Saffer <dan at odannyboy.com>
>>
>> <http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
>> creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>
>>
>> Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
>> you a quarter.
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30 May 2007 - 2:59pm
Mark Schraad
2006

How about a combo screen/keyboard where you just drop your unit into the cradle? They are (somewhere, sometime?) a standard utensil in every home, in your car, at coffee shops, and in libraries...

On Wednesday, May 30, 2007, at 03:30PM, "Vermette, Joan" <Joan.Vermette at fmr.com> wrote:
>I'm waxing nostalgic about the fold-out full-sized keyboard I had for my
>Palm, years ago. $99, and it was small enough to fit in the pocket of
>painter's pants...
>
>If they made a fold out screen that wasn't much bigger and cost another
>$50, that'd make me happy. No syncing necessary: you use your Palm,
>itself.
>
>But a faux mini laptop for $500? Too big and too expensive.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
>[mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
>Josh Viney
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:10 PM
>To: IxDA Discuss
>Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Today's Second Product Launch: Foleo
>
>>
>> For people who don't want to spend $600 on an inexpensive laptop, they
>can
>> spend $400 on a thin-client that makes their Treo's screen and
>keyboard
>> bigger. Definitely acknowledges a significant user frustration w/
>> smartphones, but seriously?
>>
>
>
>--
>Josh Viney
>EastMedia Group
>http://www.eastmedia.com
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30 May 2007 - 3:02pm
jayeffvee
2007

That'd work for me, fine!

I need the whole thing to be smaller than a quality paperback: that
works okay for me. Note that those old keyboards were smaller than a
pulp paperback -- that'd be even better.

:-)

Did someone say 1998? I had my keyboard in 2000...with a Palm III,
which even then was a little old...

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Schraad [mailto:mschraad at mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:00 PM
To: Vermette, Joan
Cc: Josh Viney; IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Today's Second Product Launch: Foleo

How about a combo screen/keyboard where you just drop your unit into the
cradle? They are (somewhere, sometime?) a standard utensil in every
home, in your car, at coffee shops, and in libraries...

On Wednesday, May 30, 2007, at 03:30PM, "Vermette, Joan"
<Joan.Vermette at fmr.com> wrote:
>I'm waxing nostalgic about the fold-out full-sized keyboard I had for
my
>Palm, years ago. $99, and it was small enough to fit in the pocket of
>painter's pants...
>
>If they made a fold out screen that wasn't much bigger and cost another
>$50, that'd make me happy. No syncing necessary: you use your Palm,
>itself.
>
>But a faux mini laptop for $500? Too big and too expensive.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
>[mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
>Josh Viney
>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:10 PM
>To: IxDA Discuss
>Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Today's Second Product Launch: Foleo
>
>>
>> For people who don't want to spend $600 on an inexpensive laptop,
they
>can
>> spend $400 on a thin-client that makes their Treo's screen and
>keyboard
>> bigger. Definitely acknowledges a significant user frustration w/
>> smartphones, but seriously?
>>
>
>
>--
>Josh Viney
>EastMedia Group
>http://www.eastmedia.com
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30 May 2007 - 3:44pm
Will Parker
2007

On May 30, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Dan Saffer wrote:

> <http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
> creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>
>
> Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
> you a quarter.

That's no challenge.

"If you spent $500 on a smartphone, we're certain you'll spend
another $500 to make it work sorta like a laptop."

- Will

Will Parker
wparker at ChannelingDesign.com

“I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If
that were the case, then Microsoft would have great products.” -
Steve Jobs

30 May 2007 - 5:44pm
Mitchell Joe
2007

There's this passage in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
where the main character is looking for a wrench so that he can
repair his motorcycle, but it's dark, so he starts hunting around for
a flashlight. Soon he has emptied the entire contents of his bag and
still can't find his flashlight. But by this point the wrench is in
plain view, and he realizes that he'd forgotten that what he really
needed was a wrench.

Mitch

On May 30, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Dan Saffer wrote:

> <http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
> creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>
>
> Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
> you a quarter.
>
>
>
>
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31 May 2007 - 1:37am
Isabel Froes
2007

Instead of small and handy, now you can have a palm laptop???

Uhmmmmmmmm...??? Make that 2 quarters!

Quoting Dan Saffer <dan at odannyboy.com>:

> <http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
> creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>
>
> Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
> you a quarter.
>
>
>
>
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31 May 2007 - 8:32am
Josh
2006

So... according to Jeff Hawkins and the Palm web site "the future of
personal computing is mobile computing". Foleo is meant to be an extension
of the mobile device (an expensive accessory) with the mobile device being
the primary "computer". I can see how it could have seemed like a good idea
at the time. People do tend to spend a lot of money on stupid phone
accessories. I just don't see a Treo having enough horsepower to become my
computer of choice. I've always thought of my smartphones as accessories for
my computer.

--
Josh Viney
EastMedia Group
http://www.eastmedia.com

2 Jul 2007 - 6:51am
Dimiter Simov
2006

Salespeople.
Yesterday a colleague of mine (on our sales team) asked me whether I have
seen and knew something about those small computers that were smaller than
laptops. He said he'd definitely want to have one.

Dimiter Simov
Lucrat Ltd. www.lucrat.net
Netage Solutions Inc. www.netagesolutions.com
Usability blog www.e-lesno.com

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Saffer
Sent: Wed, May 30, 2007 21:56
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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Today's Second Product Launch: Foleo

<http://www.palm.com/us/products/mobilecompanion/foleo/index.html?
creativeID=US_BB_foleo_announcement>

Umm...? If anyone can explain their product strategy to me, I'll give
you a quarter.

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2 Jul 2007 - 7:06am
Dave Malouf
2005

Dmitry, is your boss talking about a Foleo which doesn't have real
processing power, but basically is a peripheral to your PDA (or PDA
phone)? Or is he talking about a UMPC like an Origami class machine
Ultra 1 by Samsung, an OQO, or a Flipstart from Vulcan?

These are VERY different from a Foleo in that they are a fully
functioning version of windows running on a small form factor, in
some cases smaller than a Foleo.

Personally, so far I love Sony's UMPC.

== dave

-- dave

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