mouse wheel

21 Jun 2007 - 7:39am
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Sandra
2006

Hi,

Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse wheel up?
When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?

Thanks.

Sandra

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21 Jun 2007 - 7:42am
VenkatVijay
2005

I guess it's about moving forward or backward.

Thanks
VenkatVijay

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Hi,

Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse wheel up?
When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?

Thanks.

Sandra
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21 Jun 2007 - 11:45am
Frederic Lavigne
2007

I've seen references to "mouse wheel up" and "mouse wheel down",
respectively equivalent to "scroll up", "scroll down" when there is a
vertical scrolling involved.

-fred

On 6/21/07, Venkat Vijay [YASU Technologies] <venkatvijay at yasutech.com>
wrote:
>
> I guess it's about moving forward or backward.
>
> Thanks
> VenkatVijay
>
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>
> Hi,
>
> Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
> please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse wheel
> up?
> When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sandra
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21 Jun 2007 - 12:07pm
Sandra
2006

Fred,

Do you remember the references you are talking about?
In our application, the use of the wheel is not only for scrolling, but it's
also associated to a control for zooming...

2007/6/21, Frederic Lavigne <frederic.lavigne at gmail.com>:
>
> I've seen references to "mouse wheel up" and "mouse wheel down",
> respectively equivalent to "scroll up", "scroll down" when there is a
> vertical scrolling involved.
>
> -fred
>
> On 6/21/07, Venkat Vijay [YASU Technologies] <venkatvijay at yasutech.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I guess it's about moving forward or backward.
> >
> > Thanks
> > VenkatVijay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sandra
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:10 PM
> > To: discuss at ixda.org
> > Subject: [IxDA Discuss] mouse wheel
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
> > please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse wheel
> > up?
> > When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Sandra
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21 Jun 2007 - 12:01pm
Chris Pallé
2007

Unless using a mouse with a scroll wheel (two conditionals) is a
requirement, I don't see how those two could be interchangeable. I
use a multi-touch trackpad to scroll up and scroll down.

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On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Frederic Lavigne wrote:

> I've seen references to "mouse wheel up" and "mouse wheel down",
> respectively equivalent to "scroll up", "scroll down" when there is a
> vertical scrolling involved.
>
> -fred
>
> On 6/21/07, Venkat Vijay [YASU Technologies]
> <venkatvijay at yasutech.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I guess it's about moving forward or backward.
>>
>> Thanks
>> VenkatVijay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
>> Sandra
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 6:10 PM
>> To: discuss at ixda.org
>> Subject: [IxDA Discuss] mouse wheel
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
>> please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse
>> wheel
>> up?
>> When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Sandra
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21 Jun 2007 - 12:24pm
Chris Pallé
2007

I use a trackpad for all those multiplanar movements. In Visio for
example, I control-zoom with two fingers on my trackpad, etc.

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21 Jun 2007 - 12:50pm
Charles Zicari
2007

Sandra,

I'm assuming you are asking this for documentation purposes. If so,
consider the action the user takes with the mouse as separate from the
resulting behavior on the screen. So in documenting the wheel
functionality you would describe the user action with the physical wheel
and associate this with the screen behavior.

Because most wheels also serve as a button, I would reserve the up/down
descriptor for the button behavior of the mouse. So turning the
mousewheel would best be described as scrolling/rotating the wheel
forward and backward.

For example: In Visio clicking the mouse wheel (Mousewheel down) allows
the user to pan in all directions. Releasing the mousewheel (mousewheel
up) exits the pan mode. Scrolling the wheel forward moves the viewable
work area of the screen up. Scrolling the wheel backwards moves the
viewable work area down.

Charlie Zicari
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Organic, Inc
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21 Jun 2007 - 1:31pm
Chris Pallé
2007

This again comes down to context. I don't think "up/down" works well
for a behavioral action, this is more of a state of an element, but
really is still ambiguous. Push or Press/Release are better action
terms for a button. Even clicking is not the best term as implies a
sound as well.

I do agree that since the interaction is describing spatial
movements, forward and backward are good for describing the
activities on the screen. Rotation is a great term for describing
the wheel's behavior. It's better than scroll.

FYI the example:

> Scrolling the wheel forward moves the viewable
> work area of the screen up. Scrolling the wheel backwards moves the
> viewable work area down.

is actually backwards": "Rotating the wheel" forward actually moves
the viewable area down, revealing the upper area and vice versa.

Is there a keystroke/press on the keyboard that modifies the wheel's
behavior?

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On Jun 21, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Charles Zicari wrote:

> Because most wheels also serve as a button, I would reserve the up/
> down
> descriptor for the button behavior of the mouse. So turning the
> mousewheel would best be described as scrolling/rotating the wheel
> forward and backward.

21 Jun 2007 - 4:21pm
Michael Micheletti
2006

Hi Sandra,

The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications (2003 edition)
suggests:

"Rotate the mouse wheel forward to scroll up in the document."

They prefer "rotate" to "roll". They didn't list an example for rotating the
mouse wheel in the other direction - I'm assuming it's "back".

Although the book is excruciatingly Microsoft-centric at times, it can be
helpful when you're trying to standardize on terminology. Good luck with
your project,

Michael Micheletti

On 6/21/07, Sandra <sbelfils at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
> please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse wheel
> up?
> When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Sandra
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21 Jun 2007 - 5:07pm
cfmdesigns
2004

>From: Michael Micheletti <michael.micheletti at gmail.com>
>
>The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications (2003 edition)
>suggests:
>
>"Rotate the mouse wheel forward to scroll up in the document."
>
>They prefer "rotate" to "roll". They didn't list an example for rotating the
>mouse wheel in the other direction - I'm assuming it's "back".
>
>Although the book is excruciatingly Microsoft-centric at times, it can be
>helpful when you're trying to standardize on terminology.

Also of consideration now (and going forward [as opposed to rotating forward]), are mouse wheels that go right/left, like the Mac's Mighty Mouse.

I imagine that "roll" implies a "start and let it go", maybe just shy of "spin". Rotate is a more deliberate, finite action.

-- Jim

21 Jun 2007 - 9:17pm
Will Parker
2007

On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:39 AM, Sandra wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Do you know what the convention for describing mouse wheel actions is
> please? When you roll the mouse wheel away from you, is that mouse
> wheel up?
> When you roll it towards you, is that mouse wheel down?

Happily, I haven't had to deal with this definition problem yet.
However, do be aware that there are additional dimensions to the
problem. On many current wheel-mice, you have the following movements:

- Back and forward (your original question)
- Wheel-click (including the equivalents of mouse-down and mouse-up),
and
- Wheel-tilt-left and wheel-tilt-right.

Personally, I would interpret wheel-up as the release phase of a
click on a mouse-wheel that also can act as a mouse-button, but I
wouldn't bet on that being the standard.

Also, please note that most of the wheel-mouse drivers currently on
the market allow the user to choose which function maps to which
movement. While this complicates matters, it also offers a way out of
your dilemma. I think it's reasonably safe to assume that most wheel-
mouse users have acquired theirs by conscious intent rather than
blind luck, and that this audience is probably reasonably familiar
with the whole mapping issue.

Simply show your users a graphic map of which functions are currently
mapped to which motions, and you can avoid a large part of the
nomenclature problem. Further, offer the ability to remap the
functions, and you'll make that particularly button-obsessed audience
happy in ways the rest of us will never understand.

- Will

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