iPhone, who's buying...

29 Jun 2007 - 8:31am
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Kevin Silver1
2006

Hi,

Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and
get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have
to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I
don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in
the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I
lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,
entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could
see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to
email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts
on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that
would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in
the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing
with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"
monitor and a swag macbook pro.

iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?

And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
I'm jealous!

Thanks,

Kevin

Kevin Silver
Clearwired Web Services

10899 Montgomery, Suite C
Albuquerque, NM 87109

office: 505.217.3505
toll-free: 866.430.2832
fax: 505.217.3506

e: kevin at clearwired.com
w: www.clearwired.com

Comments

29 Jun 2007 - 8:59am
.pauric
2006

I couldnt agree more with you about the metro market. I'm going to
hold out for the iPhone 'Nano'. I expect it might not be locked in
to ATT either.

In related news to the iPhone launch RIMM, makers of the Blackbberry,
are up 30% in the first hour of trading today. Is there a problem
with the iPhone?
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=rimm&hl=en

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29 Jun 2007 - 9:12am
Tracy Boyington
2007

People who were psyched to get the iPhone, and find out there's a
waiting list, might decide to jump on the other smart phone bandwagon
instead. Is this called a halo effect?

I'm not a metro person but I do want an iPhone. It would mean two fewer
gadgets to carry in my purse (phone, PDA, iPod) and I love the idea of
being connected to the internet and e-mail when I'm on, for example, a
visit to the in-laws, where neither are readily available to me. But I'm
going to wait at least a year for the enevitable bugs to be discovered
and worked out, and hopefully the price will go down as well.

~~~~~
Tracy Boyington tracy_boyington at okcareertech.org
Oklahoma Department of Career & Technology Education
Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc

>>> pauric <radiorental at gmail.com> 06/29/07 9:59 AM >>>

In related news to the iPhone launch RIMM, makers of the Blackbberry,
are up 30% in the first hour of trading today. Is there a problem
with the iPhone?
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=rimm&hl=en

29 Jun 2007 - 9:09am
Todd Warfel
2003

I'm buying two. One for me and one for the wife :).

On Jun 29, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Kevin Silver wrote:

> And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
> I'm jealous!

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
----------------------------------
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----------------------------------
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29 Jun 2007 - 9:12am
Todd Warfel
2003

Not sure about that, but there are reports from across the US that
people on ATTingular's EDGE network have been experiencing faster
EDGE connection speeds in the last couple of days. Most reports are
in the 150kps-250kps range compared to 40kps-50kps, range previously.
I wouldn't put it past Jobs and Co. to have made that part of the
iPhone deal w/ATTingular.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 10:59 AM, pauric wrote:

> In related news to the iPhone launch RIMM, makers of the Blackbberry,
> are up 30% in the first hour of trading today. Is there a problem
> with the iPhone?
> http://finance.google.com/finance?q=rimm&hl=en

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
----------------------------------
Contact Info
Voice: (215) 825-7423
Email: todd at messagefirst.com
AIM: twarfel at mac.com
Blog: http://toddwarfel.com
----------------------------------
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice, they are not.

29 Jun 2007 - 9:13am
Mark Schraad
2006

I am waiting for two reasons.

1) Apple has historically released relatively anemic versions. I am waiting to see v1.1 or 2.0.

2) Having spent a lifetime as a Southwestern Bell and AT&T Cellular customer (now AT&T), I am hesitant to re-enter that relationship.

<rant on

Tagging on to the subject - in spite of all the iPhone hype (even I am tired of it) I believe that the impact of this product is being way under estimated. The mobile industry has set itself up for disruption through complacency and conservative business strategy. The prevelance of
'old school' corporate thinking has resulted in a vertical market that has lost touch with what the consumer wants and is still focused on salvaging its technological silos.

<rant off

I am thinking that I will attempt a weekend long, personal media black out just to save my sanity.

Mark

On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 10:51AM, "Kevin Silver" <kevin at clearwired.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and
>get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have
>to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I
>don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in
>the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I
>lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,
>entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could
>see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to
>email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts
>on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that
>would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in
>the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing
>with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"
>monitor and a swag macbook pro.
>
>iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?
>
>And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
>I'm jealous!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin
>
>Kevin Silver
>Clearwired Web Services
>
>10899 Montgomery, Suite C
>Albuquerque, NM 87109
>
>office: 505.217.3505
>toll-free: 866.430.2832
>fax: 505.217.3506
>
>e: kevin at clearwired.com
>w: www.clearwired.com
>

29 Jun 2007 - 9:15am
Todd Warfel
2003

That is exactly what my wife said. She currently has a pink Razr,
Blackberry (for work), and either the Nano or 60GB iPod video
(depending on the day) in her purse.

She also mentioned that it's clearly designed by men for men - "No
pretty clip," in her words. She went on to say that that's the case
for most phones. "How many phones are really designed with women in
mind?" That's when my behavior research switch went off in my head -
An untapped market potential?

On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Tracy Boyington wrote:

> It would mean two fewer gadgets to carry in my purse (phone, PDA,
> iPod)

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
----------------------------------
Contact Info
Voice: (215) 825-7423
Email: todd at messagefirst.com
AIM: twarfel at mac.com
Blog: http://toddwarfel.com
----------------------------------
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice, they are not.

29 Jun 2007 - 9:24am
Anonymous

Hi Kevin,

I'm line right now :) at the Santa Clara, CA mall. Just met and
talked with Woz, which makes this whole up-at-3-am thing worthwhile.
(BTW, the Apple employees are treating us like honored guests; it's
been free food, water, coffee, snacks and wifi all morning; they're
really going the extra mile for their brand today)

I've been waiting for the iPhone to a) make basic mobile web browsing
bearable, b) bring my full .Mac and iPod syncing experience to my
phone, and c) because the interface looks truly beautiful. Am I an
Apple fanboy normally? Yes, absolutely. But I have *never* waited
in line on opening day for anything before, but I think this item
(version 1.0 though it may be) will be worth.

Last, I do have a train commute (45 minutes) for work every day, and
RSS and email lists like this will be great to catch up on.

Daniel

On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Kevin Silver wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and
> get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have
> to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I
> don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in
> the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I
> lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,
> entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could
> see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to
> email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts
> on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that
> would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in
> the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing
> with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"
> monitor and a swag macbook pro.
>
> iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?
>
> And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
> I'm jealous!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Silver
> Clearwired Web Services
>
> 10899 Montgomery, Suite C
> Albuquerque, NM 87109
>
> office: 505.217.3505
> toll-free: 866.430.2832
> fax: 505.217.3506
>
> e: kevin at clearwired.com
> w: www.clearwired.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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Information Architect

408.569.3607 : mob | torrentprime : aim

"Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on
the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You didn't place your
hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

29 Jun 2007 - 9:24am
.pauric
2006

Todd, I read somewhere that ATT has already upgraded EDGE in 160
cities. That said, I've read preview reports that the call quality
is not stellar and the battery will need a recharge every 2nd day,
and a replacement every 300 cycles (for a fee)
http://valleywag.com/tech/critical-consensus/the-iphone-scorecard-272765.php

On the flip side, there's a bit of a controversy brewing;
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:
/2007/06/28/steve-jobs-addresses-new-attiphone-controversy/

"As it stands now, Act for Change sees iPhone users locked into a
service contract with "a corporation whose practices seem to run
counter to everything Apple stands for." Their announcement included
complaints directed specifically towards AT&T %u2014 including AT&T's
"warrantless wiretapping" controversy and their sharing of customer
phone records with the National Security Agency.

The group even cited the chairman's political contributions of
AT&T's chairman, and called it "the same AT&T that is doing its
very best to destroy net neutrality and create a 'slow lane'
Internet for the rest of us."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Posted from the new ixda.org
http://beta.ixda.org/discuss?post=17740

29 Jun 2007 - 9:29am
Tracy Boyington
2007

I'm sure the pretty clips and pink leather cases will come out soon. :-)
Since we're heading down that road, I'm also wondering how well the
glass surface will hold up to earring scratches (yes, I know men wear
earrings too, but generally they wear studs, and dangling earrings seem
to hold more danger).

(BTW, one thing that would appeal to me as a woman is a wrist strap. I
don't think many men realize how common it is for womens' clothing to be
without pockets. If I want to bring my phone, I'm stuck carrying a
purse, carrying my phone in my hand, or putting my phone in a case -
none of which appeal to me.)

~~~~~
Tracy Boyington tracy_boyington at okcareertech.org
Oklahoma Department of Career & Technology Education
Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc

>>> Todd Zaki Warfel <lists at toddwarfel.com> 06/29/07 10:15 AM >>>
That is exactly what my wife said. She currently has a pink Razr,
Blackberry (for work), and either the Nano or 60GB iPod video
(depending on the day) in her purse.

She also mentioned that it's clearly designed by men for men - "No
pretty clip," in her words. She went on to say that that's the case
for most phones. "How many phones are really designed with women in
mind?" That's when my behavior research switch went off in my head -
An untapped market potential?

On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Tracy Boyington wrote:

> It would mean two fewer gadgets to carry in my purse (phone, PDA,
> iPod)

29 Jun 2007 - 9:22am
Jack L. Moffett
2005

My wife and I will both be getting one, but I'm forcing myself to
wait until September when my Verizon contract ends.

In the mean time, I'm looking forward to hearing from those of you on
the list lucky enough to get one sooner.

> iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?

Both! And a triumph of good design!

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

When I am working on a problem,
I never think about beauty.
I think only of how to solve the problem.

But when I have finished,
if the solution is not beautiful,
I know it is wrong.

- R. Buckminster Fuller

29 Jun 2007 - 9:32am
Katie Ware
2007

Here's a blogger who was first in line at a Minneapolis Apple store. He hasn't yet been very prolific however...

http://www.iblogiphone.com/

> From: torrentprime at mac.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:24:13 -0700> To: discuss at ixda.org> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone, who's buying...> > Hi Kevin,> > I'm line right now :) at the Santa Clara, CA mall. Just met and > talked with Woz, which makes this whole up-at-3-am thing worthwhile. > (BTW, the Apple employees are treating us like honored guests; it's > been free food, water, coffee, snacks and wifi all morning; they're > really going the extra mile for their brand today)> > I've been waiting for the iPhone to a) make basic mobile web browsing > bearable, b) bring my full .Mac and iPod syncing experience to my > phone, and c) because the interface looks truly beautiful. Am I an > Apple fanboy normally? Yes, absolutely. But I have *never* waited > in line on opening day for anything before, but I think this item > (version 1.0 though it may be) will be worth.> > Last, I do have a train commute (45 minutes) for work every day, and > RSS and email lists like this will be great to catch up on.> > Daniel> > On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Kevin Silver wrote:> > > Hi,> >> > Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and> > get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have> > to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I> > don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in> > the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I> > lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,> > entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could> > see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to> > email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts> > on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that> > would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in> > the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing> > with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"> > monitor and a swag macbook pro.> >> > iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?> >> > And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because> > I'm jealous!> >> > Thanks,> >> > Kevin> >> > Kevin Silver> > Clearwired Web Services> >> > 10899 Montgomery, Suite C> > Albuquerque, NM 87109> >> > office: 505.217.3505> > toll-free: 866.430.2832> > fax: 505.217.3506> >> > e: kevin at clearwired.com> > w: www.clearwired.com> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org> > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines> > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help> > Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe> > Questions .................. list at ixda.org> > Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org> > _______________________________________________> Daniel Montiel> Information Architect> > 408.569.3607 : mob | torrentprime : aim> > "Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on > the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You didn't place your > hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."> > > ________________________________________________________________> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org> List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines> List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help> Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe> Questions .................. list at ixda.org> Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org

29 Jun 2007 - 9:43am
Todd Warfel
2003

From what I've read, they learned from the early iPod mistakes and
have a scratch resistant face. There's also some companies making
scratch resistant clear sheets for the screen.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Tracy Boyington wrote:

> I'm also wondering how well the
> glass surface will hold up to earring scratches (yes, I know men wear
> earrings too, but generally they wear studs, and dangling earrings
> seem
> to hold more danger).

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
----------------------------------
Contact Info
Voice: (215) 825-7423
Email: todd at messagefirst.com
AIM: twarfel at mac.com
Blog: http://toddwarfel.com
----------------------------------
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice, they are not.

29 Jun 2007 - 9:45am
Kevin Silver1
2006

Mark, I totally agree that the impact is way underestimated. In
fact, I wouldn't be to coy to say, Happy iPhone day! As an
interaction designer I'm watching with great interest as the
interaction paradigm (form) is changing -- especially with the
recent exposure of multi-touch screens like surface, iPhone, and Jef
Han's work. Is it too soon to predict the demise of the mouse and
tactile keyboard?

On Jun 29, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Mark Schraad wrote:

> I am waiting for two reasons.
>
> 1) Apple has historically released relatively anemic versions. I am
> waiting to see v1.1 or 2.0.
>
> 2) Having spent a lifetime as a Southwestern Bell and AT&T Cellular
> customer (now AT&T), I am hesitant to re-enter that relationship.
>
> <rant on
>
> Tagging on to the subject - in spite of all the iPhone hype (even I
> am tired of it) I believe that the impact of this product is being
> way under estimated. The mobile industry has set itself up for
> disruption through complacency and conservative business strategy.
> The prevelance of
> 'old school' corporate thinking has resulted in a vertical market
> that has lost touch with what the consumer wants and is still
> focused on salvaging its technological silos.
>
> <rant off
>
> I am thinking that I will attempt a weekend long, personal media
> black out just to save my sanity.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 10:51AM, "Kevin Silver"
> <kevin at clearwired.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and
>> get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have
>> to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I
>> don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in
>> the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I
>> lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,
>> entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could
>> see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to
>> email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts
>> on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that
>> would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in
>> the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing
>> with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"
>> monitor and a swag macbook pro.
>>
>> iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?
>>
>> And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
>> I'm jealous!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Silver
>> Clearwired Web Services
>>
>> 10899 Montgomery, Suite C
>> Albuquerque, NM 87109
>>
>> office: 505.217.3505
>> toll-free: 866.430.2832
>> fax: 505.217.3506
>>
>> e: kevin at clearwired.com
>> w: www.clearwired.com
>>
>

Kevin Silver
Clearwired Web Services

10899 Montgomery, Suite C
Albuquerque, NM 87109

office: 505.217.3505
toll-free: 866.430.2832
fax: 505.217.3506

e: kevin at clearwired.com
w: www.clearwired.com

29 Jun 2007 - 9:44am
Baruch Sachs
2007

I read this too...not so ironically in BlackBerry today..

http://www.blackberrytoday.com/articles/2007/6/2007-6-7-AT-T-Boosting.html

On 6/29/07, pauric <radiorental at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Todd, I read somewhere that ATT has already upgraded EDGE in 160
> cities. That said, I've read preview reports that the call quality
> is not stellar and the battery will need a recharge every 2nd day,
> and a replacement every 300 cycles (for a fee)
>
> http://valleywag.com/tech/critical-consensus/the-iphone-scorecard-272765.php
>
> On the flip side, there's a bit of a controversy brewing;
> http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:
> /2007/06/28/steve-jobs-addresses-new-attiphone-controversy/
>
> "As it stands now, Act for Change sees iPhone users locked into a
> service contract with "a corporation whose practices seem to run
> counter to everything Apple stands for." Their announcement included
> complaints directed specifically towards AT&T %u2014 including AT&T's
> "warrantless wiretapping" controversy and their sharing of customer
> phone records with the National Security Agency.
>
> The group even cited the chairman's political contributions of
> AT&T's chairman, and called it "the same AT&T that is doing its
> very best to destroy net neutrality and create a 'slow lane'
> Internet for the rest of us."
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Posted from the new ixda.org
> http://beta.ixda.org/discuss?post=17740
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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29 Jun 2007 - 9:55am
andrew_hinton a...
2007

I think multi-touch's implications go even deeper than a revolution in
input devices... seems to me that it effectively takes the perceived
mediation away between my physical act and the data itself. It's a big
step toward making the digital physical, in a sense.

Rather than using one device to make something happen on another (a
keyboard or mouse making something happen on a screen) I can touch the
thing itself and make it all happen there. That's a major shift in
perceived reality.

Now, I'm not entirely sure I like the idea of not having a tactile
keyboard -- it'd be cool if a multitouch screen could one day dynamically
mold itself to have different tactile sensations depending on the task
(tactile feedback is really important -- we have gazillions of nerve
endings in our fingertips that go to waste otherwise). But, still, it's as
close as we've ever been to a consumer experience of molding your personal
data like bits of clay in your hands.

---
Andrew Hinton
inkblurt.com

Kevin Silver <kevin at clearwired.com>
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06/29/2007 11:45 AM

To
Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com>
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IXDA list <discuss at ixda.org>
Subject
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone, who's buying...

Mark, I totally agree that the impact is way underestimated. In
fact, I wouldn't be to coy to say, Happy iPhone day! As an
interaction designer I'm watching with great interest as the
interaction paradigm (form) is changing -- especially with the
recent exposure of multi-touch screens like surface, iPhone, and Jef
Han's work. Is it too soon to predict the demise of the mouse and
tactile keyboard?

On Jun 29, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Mark Schraad wrote:

> I am waiting for two reasons.
>
> 1) Apple has historically released relatively anemic versions. I am
> waiting to see v1.1 or 2.0.
>
> 2) Having spent a lifetime as a Southwestern Bell and AT&T Cellular
> customer (now AT&T), I am hesitant to re-enter that relationship.
>
> <rant on
>
> Tagging on to the subject - in spite of all the iPhone hype (even I
> am tired of it) I believe that the impact of this product is being
> way under estimated. The mobile industry has set itself up for
> disruption through complacency and conservative business strategy.
> The prevelance of
> 'old school' corporate thinking has resulted in a vertical market
> that has lost touch with what the consumer wants and is still
> focused on salvaging its technological silos.
>
> <rant off
>
> I am thinking that I will attempt a weekend long, personal media
> black out just to save my sanity.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 10:51AM, "Kevin Silver"
> <kevin at clearwired.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and
>> get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have
>> to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I
>> don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in
>> the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I
>> lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,
>> entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could
>> see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to
>> email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts
>> on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that
>> would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in
>> the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing
>> with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"
>> monitor and a swag macbook pro.
>>
>> iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?
>>
>> And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
>> I'm jealous!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Silver
>> Clearwired Web Services
>>
>> 10899 Montgomery, Suite C
>> Albuquerque, NM 87109
>>
>> office: 505.217.3505
>> toll-free: 866.430.2832
>> fax: 505.217.3506
>>
>> e: kevin at clearwired.com
>> w: www.clearwired.com
>>
>

Kevin Silver
Clearwired Web Services

10899 Montgomery, Suite C
Albuquerque, NM 87109

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29 Jun 2007 - 9:56am
Todd Warfel
2003

Yes, there are some downsides. And every product has them. I
typically upgrade my phone every year. So, I for one am not concerned
about the 2 year lifecycle of the phone before having to have the
battery replaced. I'll eBay it before that and pick up a 2nd or 3rd gen.

As for ATTingular, well, we did the redesign of the ATT wireless site
before they were purchased by Cingular. And I know first hand what
it's like to deal with them as a corporation (and client). They're
really not much different than any other large corporation - pros and
cons. Additionally, currently working with another large Telecom
company all I can say is that the telephony space is pretty screwed
up in general. It needs a major overhaul, as does the Pharma space,
airlines, and medical industry.

However, that's been several years ago and hopefully Jobs is having
some influence over there. If nothing else, the iPhone is going to be
a disruptive technology that will shake up this industry and require
companies to take a second look at their business practices. We'll
see what happens.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:24 AM, pauric wrote:

> http://valleywag.com/tech/critical-consensus/the-iphone-
> scorecard-272765.php
>
> On the flip side, there's a bit of a controversy brewing;
> http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:
> /2007/06/28/steve-jobs-addresses-new-attiphone-controversy/

Cheers!

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President, Design & Usability Specialist
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29 Jun 2007 - 10:03am
Dave Malouf
2005

Well, I have to say that I have to wait till next week, but my company
is "forcing me" to get one so I can do a "tear down" of it. It's
a lot of work to do, but I'll "suffer" through.

I was going to get one anyway, but def not wait on line.

I really recommend people look at all the neato vids that are on the
apple.com/iphone site. Lots there to glean about the interaction
design. I feel I could make a whole course just dissecting these vids
on IxD and experience design.

the more I see, the more amazed I am. to me this is way better than
the iPod release in terms of total experience design. Amazing job.

-- dave

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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29 Jun 2007 - 10:12am
Mark Schraad
2006

Agreed. I always felt like the click wheel was a gadget to fuel the hype fire. It is not a great innovative leap - not much more than a flat programable potentiometer Contrarily, I have yet to find an element of the iPhone that is more hype than purposeful.

Mark

On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 12:04PM, "David Malouf" <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

>the more I see, the more amazed I am. to me this is way better than
>the iPod release in terms of total experience design. Amazing job.
>
>-- dave

>

29 Jun 2007 - 10:21am
Jeff Axup
2006

I'm delaying purchasing one until the 2nd gen because:
- it needs faster web access
- the keyboard on my sidekick will be faster and less error prone
- they need a 1 yr plan option
- I want to wait until more apple apps, 3rd party apps and hacks appear
which will make it much more useful (such as a rotate keyboard option).
- it still lacks features my sidekick has, however I will miss the
highly usable design of the iphone interface.

(This email typed quite rapidly and with only one mis-typed letter on a
sidekick). =)

-jeff

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 9:10 am, David Malouf wrote:
> Well, I have to say that I have to wait till next week, but my company
> is "forcing me" to get one so I can do a "tear down" of it. It's
> a lot of work to do, but I'll "suffer" through.
>
> I was going to get one anyway, but def not wait on line.
>
> I really recommend people look at all the neato vids that are on the
> apple.com/iphone site. Lots there to glean about the interaction
> design. I feel I could make a whole course just dissecting these vids
> on IxD and experience design.
>
> the more I see, the more amazed I am. to me this is way better than
> the iPod release in terms of total experience design. Amazing job.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Posted from the new ixda.org
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29 Jun 2007 - 10:26am
Dave Malouf
2005

Well, until I get one to use, I have to agree w/ you, but the keyboard
interaction design they've done is stellar, IMHO. i could spend eons
talking about it.

-- dave

On 6/29/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
> Agreed. I always felt like the click wheel was a gadget to fuel the hype fire. It is not a great innovative leap - not much more than a flat programable potentiometer Contrarily, I have yet to find an element of the iPhone that is more hype than purposeful.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 12:04PM, "David Malouf" <dave at ixda.org> wrote:
>
> >the more I see, the more amazed I am. to me this is way better than
> >the iPod release in terms of total experience design. Amazing job.
> >
> >-- dave
>
> >
>

--
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29 Jun 2007 - 10:29am
Wendy Fischer
2004

I'm waiting on buying an Iphone as I'd like to physically see one and use it before committing. I'm also just thinking of waiting until version 2.0 or version 3.0 comes out.

It’s interesting that they have no
3G, no instant messaging, no camera phone, no video recording or support for Flash or J2ME. I
think that the slow EDGE network and lack of 3G will make an interesting browser
experience. The thing that
I wonder is if Apple will allow for software updates to the phone and allow for
future support for Flash, J2ME, etc, particularly when they open development to
third party developers.

-Wendy

----- Original Message ----
From: Todd Zaki Warfel <lists at toddwarfel.com>
To: Tracy Boyington <tracy_boyington at okcareertech.org>
Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:43:38 AM
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone, who's buying...

From what I've read, they learned from the early iPod mistakes and
have a scratch resistant face. There's also some companies making
scratch resistant clear sheets for the screen.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Tracy Boyington wrote:

> I'm also wondering how well the
> glass surface will hold up to earring scratches (yes, I know men wear
> earrings too, but generally they wear studs, and dangling earrings
> seem
> to hold more danger).

Cheers!

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President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
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29 Jun 2007 - 10:57am
Todd Warfel
2003

Um, it has IM (iChat) and a camera for photos and video recording.
And development is open to 3rd parties. It's called just build an
AJAX app and you're good to go. Every seen the number of Dashboard
widgets that are out there? They're based on web technologies. So,
you can develop apps it's just a different model.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:29 PM, erpdesigner wrote:

> It’s interesting that they have no 3G, no instant messaging, no
> camera phone, no video recording or support for Flash or J2ME. I
> think that the slow EDGE network and lack of 3G will make an
> interesting browser experience. The thing that I wonder is if
> Apple will allow for software updates to the phone and allow for
> future support for Flash, J2ME, etc, particularly when they open
> development to third party developers.

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
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29 Jun 2007 - 11:11am
Anthony Armendariz
2006

http://valleywag.com/tech/iphone/first-attempted-iphone-
mugging-273579.php

On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote:

> Yes, there are some downsides. And every product has them. I
> typically upgrade my phone every year. So, I for one am not concerned
> about the 2 year lifecycle of the phone before having to have the
> battery replaced. I'll eBay it before that and pick up a 2nd or 3rd
> gen.
>
> As for ATTingular, well, we did the redesign of the ATT wireless site
> before they were purchased by Cingular. And I know first hand what
> it's like to deal with them as a corporation (and client). They're
> really not much different than any other large corporation - pros and
> cons. Additionally, currently working with another large Telecom
> company all I can say is that the telephony space is pretty screwed
> up in general. It needs a major overhaul, as does the Pharma space,
> airlines, and medical industry.
>
> However, that's been several years ago and hopefully Jobs is having
> some influence over there. If nothing else, the iPhone is going to be
> a disruptive technology that will shake up this industry and require
> companies to take a second look at their business practices. We'll
> see what happens.
>
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 11:24 AM, pauric wrote:
>
>> http://valleywag.com/tech/critical-consensus/the-iphone-
>> scorecard-272765.php
>>
>> On the flip side, there's a bit of a controversy brewing;
>> http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:
>> /2007/06/28/steve-jobs-addresses-new-attiphone-controversy/
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Todd Zaki Warfel
> President, Design & Usability Specialist
> Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
> ----------------------------------
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29 Jun 2007 - 11:11am
cherylkimble
2005

adobe's new technology, air, will allow anyone to create widgets in
html, jscript, flex or flash, etc... you can even include the install
for the app in the widget, so 1 download does it all. very cool stuff.

cheryl

At 12:57 PM -0400 6/29/07, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote:
>Um, it has IM (iChat) and a camera for photos and video recording.
>And development is open to 3rd parties. It's called just build an
>AJAX app and you're good to go. Every seen the number of Dashboard
>widgets that are out there? They're based on web technologies. So,
>you can develop apps it's just a different model.

29 Jun 2007 - 11:55am
mtumi
2004

I'm waiting for the Leopard release in Oct at least.

I think their overall product offering will be come more clear at
that point. i want to see the next version of .mac in particular,
but also revs to apple tv, ipod and so on. I want a new stereo/tv
system as well, so I want to get a better idea of how everything fits
together, which I don't think will happen until Leopard is released.

plus it doesn't run flash yet. bleh. and no to-dos/task list! WTF???

MT

On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:29 PM, erpdesigner wrote:

> I'm waiting on buying an Iphone as I'd like to physically see one
> and use it before committing. I'm also just thinking of waiting
> until version 2.0 or version 3.0 comes out.
>
> It’s interesting that they have no
> 3G, no instant messaging, no camera phone, no video recording or
> support for Flash or J2ME. I
> think that the slow EDGE network and lack of 3G will make an
> interesting browser
> experience. The thing that
> I wonder is if Apple will allow for software updates to the phone
> and allow for
> future support for Flash, J2ME, etc, particularly when they open
> development to
> third party developers.
>
>
>
> -Wendy
>
>
>
>

29 Jun 2007 - 11:52am
Jack L. Moffett
2005

Let's get the facts straight:

On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote:

> Um, it has IM (iChat)
No, it currently only has SMS (with an iChat-like UI). This could be
easily added as a software update.

> and a camera for photos and video recording.
Yes, it has the camera, but it will not record video (yet).

Wendy wrote:

> The thing that I wonder is if Apple will allow for software updates
> to the phone...

Yes, they have specifically changed their accounting practices so
that they can provide free software updates after a product is released.

David Pogue answers these, and many other questions about the iPhone:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/28/technology/circuits/28pogue.html?
_r=1&oref=slogin

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
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http://www.inmedius.com

The public is more familiar with
bad design than good design.
It is, in effect, conditioned
to prefer bad design, because
that is what it lives with.
The new becomes threatening,
the old reassuring.

- Paul Rand

29 Jun 2007 - 12:11pm
Todd Warfel
2003

Thanks, Jack. I sit corrected.

SMS only (for now). I can't imagine that it will take long for the
iPhone to record video since it plays video and has a built in camera.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Jack Moffett wrote:

>> Um, it has IM (iChat)
> No, it currently only has SMS (with an iChat-like UI). This could be
> easily added as a software update.
>
>> and a camera for photos and video recording.
> Yes, it has the camera, but it will not record video (yet).

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
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29 Jun 2007 - 12:31pm
andrew_hinton a...
2007

I can't help but think that AT&T made sure that the cash cow of SMS text
messaging wasn't going to be obviated by people iChatting over their
unlimited data connections for free.

But all it'll take is a widget or two.

---
Andrew Hinton
inkblurt.com

Todd Zaki Warfel <lists at toddwarfel.com>
Sent by: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
06/29/2007 02:11 PM

To
Jack Moffett <jmoffett at inmedius.com>
cc
discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
Subject
Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone, who's buying...

Thanks, Jack. I sit corrected.

SMS only (for now). I can't imagine that it will take long for the
iPhone to record video since it plays video and has a built in camera.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Jack Moffett wrote:

>> Um, it has IM (iChat)
> No, it currently only has SMS (with an iChat-like UI). This could be
> easily added as a software update.
>
>> and a camera for photos and video recording.
> Yes, it has the camera, but it will not record video (yet).

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design & Usability Specialist
Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
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29 Jun 2007 - 12:54pm
Dave Malouf
2005

If I was buying and I decided to wait, I would only wait for hardware
issues. Software is completely updatable and Jobs has repeated over
and over again that he has lots of plans for FREE software updates.

Further, application specific stuff is all avaiable through the web.
Just use Ta-da if you want tasks.

As for Flash, i understand why they didn't do this. For anyone who
has looked into flash mobile, you know that the licensing of the
player is not the same model as it is for desktops. You have to pay a
per handset licensing fee. It ain't open! So until Adobe changes its
tune and realizes that flash is flash is flash and should be free to
play anywhere, I can understand why MANY vendors have resisted adding
flash to their devices. Palm and Windows Mobile don't come standard
with it either.

What I don't get is why they didn't allow for Java-based
applications. Many apps I have on my treo utilize Java and I'll miss
them whenI go over to the iPhone.

But again, this is software, so it can be temporary.

I'm more concerned about no stereo Bluetooth support (is this
firmware?), no GPS or current Location Based Servics (LBS). Can they
do LBS off the software utilizing the cell locators? wifi positions?

I'm also really upset about no clipboard support, but again this is
software.

-- dave

-- dave

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29 Jun 2007 - 1:06pm
.pauric
2006

Todd: "I can't imagine that it will take long for the iPhone to
record video since it plays video and has a built in camera."

Lest we forget the thing only has 8Gig (-700K for the OS) so when
you're finished downloading Pirates of the Caribbean, half your
itunes library, photos... yadda ya. You're not going to have much
space left for raw video.

Its worth remembering that for every feature you add, you increase
duty on the CPU which eats in to your battery. And yes, I harp on
about the battery like a broken record but for me... its probably
-the- most important feature of a mobile device and crucial to the
'experience'.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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29 Jun 2007 - 1:52pm
cfmdesigns
2004

>From: Tracy Boyington <tracy_boyington at okcareertech.org>
>
>People who were psyched to get the iPhone, and find out there's a
>waiting list, might decide to jump on the other smart phone bandwagon
>instead. Is this called a halo effect?

I've been paying attention to other phone ads the past few days.

The Blackjack is on sale through tomorrow at AT&T stores for half off. And I got a "You've bought electronics through Amazon, so we thought we'd send you this add for smart phones" thing by e-mail two days ago.

Both of those smack me as "Since you're undoubtedly thinking about new phones this week, think about this phone/this purchase location" ploys to pull customers. (Where they miss, though, is that I'm *not* thinking about other phones, I'm thinking about the iPhone. Period.)

I expect to look seriously at the iPhone come Christmas time, but not before then. (Unless my current phone dies, drops in a cup of coffee [like the last one did], or such before then.) I'll probably drive to Portland to get it; the $80 savings in sales tax across the state border will compensate for the gas.

-- Jim

29 Jun 2007 - 1:55pm
Manu Sharma
2003

"pauric" wrote:

> Lest we forget the thing only has 8Gig (-700K for the OS) so when
> you're finished downloading Pirates of the Caribbean...

I doubt people are going to be downloading whole movies on their
iPhone unless they're stuck on a wifi island and are carrying a
bunch of spare batteries. Downloading any movies on EDGE is out of
question, of course.

So what they'll most likely be doing is moving full-length movies
from their computer to the iPhone and deleting them from their phone
after that flight or the boring conference that your boss wants you
to attend is over.

8 Gb is a lot of space. I know a lot of friends that have 512 MB SD
cards in their still cameras (that do video too) who never run out
of space. So, yes, video capture is definitely one of the puzzling
pieces that's missing from the iPhone.

Manu

Orange Hues
New Delhi, India
http://orangehues.com/blog/

29 Jun 2007 - 2:01pm
Mark Schraad
2006

Just me - but I do see downloading the rare shows I like on television so that I can watch them at my leisure (kind of like reading a magazine). There are few shows where video quality is critical - and I am already used to being interrupted so watching gilligan's island while waiting for a dentist appointment is no big deal.

On Friday, June 29, 2007, at 03:56PM, "Manu Sharma" <manu at orangehues.com> wrote:
>"pauric" wrote:
>
>> Lest we forget the thing only has 8Gig (-700K for the OS) so when
>> you're finished downloading Pirates of the Caribbean...
>
>I doubt people are going to be downloading whole movies on their
>iPhone unless they're stuck on a wifi island and are carrying a
>bunch of spare batteries. Downloading any movies on EDGE is out of
>question, of course.
>

29 Jun 2007 - 2:17pm
Manu Sharma
2003

> Just me - but I do see downloading the rare shows I like on
> television so that I can watch them at my leisure

Did you mean moving them from the computer or do you plan to spend
time actually downloading them over wifi? A 45-minute TV show
weighs in at over 520 MB and might take you an hour over wifi. We
also know that the battery doesn't perform at its optimum with wifi
on. All the battery tests that Apple performed were with wifi turned
off. You'd need a solar panel (I forgot that spare batteries wont
help since you can't take them out) for all that juice.

Even if you plan to download, there's little reason to keep those
videos on iPhone forever since it comes with great synching
capabilities, a feature sorely lacking in other phones that don't
even come with a cable to connect to the computer.

Manu

Orange Hues
New Delhi, India
http://orangehues.com/blog/

29 Jun 2007 - 2:42pm
Tracy Boyington
2007

I'm thinking about people near and dear to me, possibly even people I'm
married to (ahem), who will get it into their heads that they want
something new NOW, and if their first choice is not available, they'll
buy the next best thing. I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of
them walk into an Apple or ATTingular store, find the iPhone has a long
waiting list, and say "What other kewl smart phones do you have?"

~~~~~
Tracy Boyington tracy_boyington at okcareertech.org
Oklahoma Department of Career & Technology Education
Stillwater, OK http://www.okcareertech.org/cimc

>>> Jim Drew <cfmdesigns at earthlink.net> 06/29/07 2:52 PM >>>

I've been paying attention to other phone ads the past few days.

The Blackjack is on sale through tomorrow at AT&T stores for half off.
And I got a "You've bought electronics through Amazon, so we thought
we'd send you this add for smart phones" thing by e-mail two days ago.

Both of those smack me as "Since you're undoubtedly thinking about new
phones this week, think about this phone/this purchase location" ploys
to pull customers. (Where they miss, though, is that I'm *not* thinking
about other phones, I'm thinking about the iPhone. Period.)

29 Jun 2007 - 2:45pm
Todd Warfel
2003

From what I had read JAVA had to do w/battery life as well.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 2:54 PM, David Malouf wrote:

> What I don't get is why they didn't allow for Java-based
> applications. Many apps I have on my treo utilize Java and I'll miss
> them whenI go over to the iPhone.

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29 Jun 2007 - 2:47pm
Todd Warfel
2003

Yes, but that shouldn't prevent them from providing video recording
soon enough. While I don't have one in hand yet, still waiting here
in line at the Apple store, I'd imagine you manage the audio and
video content just like any other iPod. So, you can download Pirates
and move it off anytime you want and just keep it on your Mac.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:06 PM, pauric wrote:

> Todd: "I can't imagine that it will take long for the iPhone to
> record video since it plays video and has a built in camera."
>
> Lest we forget the thing only has 8Gig (-700K for the OS) so when
> you're finished downloading Pirates of the Caribbean, half your
> itunes library, photos... yadda ya. You're not going to have much
> space left for raw video.

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29 Jun 2007 - 2:49pm
Todd Warfel
2003

Yeah, and Verizon here at the King of Prussia mall is having a super
sale today. I almost feel bad for them.

On Jun 29, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Jim Drew wrote:

> The Blackjack is on sale through tomorrow at AT&T stores for half
> off. And I got a "You've bought electronics through Amazon, so we
> thought we'd send you this add for smart phones" thing by e-mail
> two days ago.

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29 Jun 2007 - 2:55pm
mtumi
2004

On Jun 29, 2007, at 2:54 PM, David Malouf wrote:

> If I was buying and I decided to wait, I would only wait for hardware
> issues. Software is completely updatable and Jobs has repeated over
> and over again that he has lots of plans for FREE software updates.

yeah, but I want to know what they are and when they're coming. I
don't want to buy a phone now that's going to be missing
functionality that I want so I can wait for them to maybe add it
later, only to find out it doesn't work well with my old hardware.

>
> Further, application specific stuff is all avaiable through the web.
> Just use Ta-da if you want tasks.

does me no good when I'm sitting on the train, which is when I like
to go through this stuff.

>
> As for Flash, i understand why they didn't do this. For anyone who
> has looked into flash mobile, you know that the licensing of the
> player is not the same model as it is for desktops. You have to pay a
> per handset licensing fee. It ain't open! So until Adobe changes its
> tune and realizes that flash is flash is flash and should be free to
> play anywhere, I can understand why MANY vendors have resisted adding
> flash to their devices. Palm and Windows Mobile don't come standard
> with it either.
>

nah, they don't add it because they don't want to give Adobe a leg up
- it's already the closest thing to a ubiquitous multimedia player
out there. I doubt the licensing fees are that steep. I think adobe
probably would have given them a deal to get it on the iphone if
apple wanted it there.

>

everyone's got their own things they need...

just be glad you're company's picking it up for you. no worries
there...

MT

29 Jun 2007 - 3:01pm
Morten Hjerde
2007

Happy iPhone day, all you crazy americans!! :-)

If I were there I'd be standing in line now for sure. Even though the iPhone
is a device designed for primary use cases only (which is cheating in my
book), even though it means exchanging the operators Walled Garden for
Apples Walled Garden, even though it is ridiculously expensive.

So why? Well, its uber cool. And it has the mark of great products; you
sense the love that went into making it.

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29 Jun 2007 - 6:12pm
dszuc
2005

Would love to but not available in Asia yet.

Having looked at the video on synching looks like another important part of
the UX is the application/activation to the AT&T service via iTunes.

Be interesting to see how easily people are able to get through this
(without having to go into a store). If it can be done seamlessly, Apple &
AT&T have done very very well.

See: http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/activation.html

Rgds.

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5 Jul 2007 - 4:06pm
Kevin Silver1
2006

Well I think David Pogue of the Times sums of this thread pretty
nicely: Watch the "iPhone: The Musical" video:

http://video.on.nytimes.com/index.jsp?
fr_story=f390265dcbb9e1f1da97a69637e921d39b6c99aa

enjoy.

Kevin

On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:31 AM, Kevin Silver wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just curious to know if anyone on the list is going to rush out and
> get an iPhone today? I have one friend who is and I'm going to have
> to arrange for some play time. I'm going to wait, mostly because I
> don't need it, yet. I see the iPhone as the ultimate companion in
> the metropolitan world. I think the commercials got it right -- if I
> lived in a place with a plethora of choices in regards to food,
> entertainment, and I also had a commute on a train or a bus I could
> see value. I also don't need (or want to be) to be connected to
> email 24/7, though it might help me read through the backlog of posts
> on this list. I just don't have the get up and go lifestyle that
> would warrant such a device; I think this is indicative of living in
> the southwest. I imagine my friend lazing around his house playing
> with his iPhone, why bother when I know he has a shiny new 30"
> monitor and a swag macbook pro.
>
> iPhone -- just a tool or a plaything?
>
> And if are you buying one today I'm probably ranting a bit because
> I'm jealous!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
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5 Jul 2007 - 11:26pm
cfmdesigns
2004

On Jun 28, 2007, at 10:19 PM, Alok Jain wrote:

> I am curios about how does the keyboard behave in if you put the
> phone in landscape mode, anyone tried?

The reviews say the keyboard can only be horizontal for the web
browser, I believe. (Which doesn't say how well it works, I know.)

-- Jim

6 Jul 2007 - 5:34am
Dave Malouf
2005

To answer the keyboard question:
In landscape mode which correctly stated can only happen in safari,
it works fine. I didn't feel liked I typed better or worse.

What I can't stand about the text editing in iPhone is the lack of
text selection support. You can only insert a cursor in place and use
backspace. I'm not even goign on about the lack of a clipboard, but
sometimes, you well want to change your mind and rewrite and doing a
clear of text is really a pain.

Otherwise, I love this thing!!! It's beautiful, sleek and a heck of
a lot better than my treo which I just replaced.

-- dave

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6 Jul 2007 - 6:59am
Chris Pallé
2007

I agree the lack of text selection has me all tripped up. I cannot
believe they didn't put landscape keyboard for mail or notes or
anything. I'm guessing they want to really show the smart-press
anticipation thingy (technical term) and how it adapts to your
personal style. If haven't watched the introduction movies on the
Apple site, they explain the keyarea invisibly expands to anticipate
your next letters.

I've had issues trying to type in some text fields. Twitter is fine,
but Pownce is paaaaainful. Anybody else experiencing this?

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On Jul 6, 2007, at 7:34 AM, David Malouf wrote:

> To answer the keyboard question:
> In landscape mode which correctly stated can only happen in safari,
> it works fine. I didn't feel liked I typed better or worse.
>
> What I can't stand about the text editing in iPhone is the lack of
> text selection support. You can only insert a cursor in place and use
> backspace. I'm not even goign on about the lack of a clipboard, but
> sometimes, you well want to change your mind and rewrite and doing a
> clear of text is really a pain.
>
> Otherwise, I love this thing!!! It's beautiful, sleek and a heck of
> a lot better than my treo which I just replaced.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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6 Jul 2007 - 7:38am
Todd Warfel
2003

I've used it vertical. In fact, that's the primary way I've been
using it.

On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:26 AM, Jim Drew wrote:

> The reviews say the keyboard can only be horizontal for the web
> browser, I believe. (Which doesn't say how well it works, I know.)
>
> -- Jim

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6 Jul 2007 - 7:39am
Todd Warfel
2003

I was using Basecamp on it the other day. That was pretty cool.

On Jul 6, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Chris Pallé wrote:

> I've had issues trying to type in some text fields. Twitter is
> fine, but Pownce is paaaaainful. Anybody else experiencing this?

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11 Jul 2007 - 7:45am
David Polinchock
2005

Has anyone else been having battery problems? I barely get a day out of
mine and have only gotten 1 day of standby time once. Usually I'm out of
juice by 6 or 7 PM after a full night charge. And I've only used the phone
for about 3 hours in the week I've owned it! I was at the Apple store
yesterday where they said they were seeing battery problems and they thought
it was a software issue. That it only came up after all of the "user
testing" we've been doing since the iPhone came out! Glad that I was able
to pay to be part of their initial user testing group! Anyway, just
wondering how it's fairing for other folks.

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> From: Chris Pallé <chris.palle at blueflameinteractive.com>
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:59:03 -0400
> To: <discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com>
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] iPhone, who's buying...
>
> I agree the lack of text selection has me all tripped up. I cannot
> believe they didn't put landscape keyboard for mail or notes or
> anything. I'm guessing they want to really show the smart-press
> anticipation thingy (technical term) and how it adapts to your
> personal style. If haven't watched the introduction movies on the
> Apple site, they explain the keyarea invisibly expands to anticipate
> your next letters.
>
> I've had issues trying to type in some text fields. Twitter is fine,
> but Pownce is paaaaainful. Anybody else experiencing this?
>
>
> chris.pallé, {human} experience craftsman
> --------------------------------------------------------
> blueflameinteractive
> 732.513.3570
> chris.palle at blueflameinteractive.com
> http://blueflameinteractive.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/chrispalle
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2007, at 7:34 AM, David Malouf wrote:
>
>> To answer the keyboard question:
>> In landscape mode which correctly stated can only happen in safari,
>> it works fine. I didn't feel liked I typed better or worse.
>>
>> What I can't stand about the text editing in iPhone is the lack of
>> text selection support. You can only insert a cursor in place and use
>> backspace. I'm not even goign on about the lack of a clipboard, but
>> sometimes, you well want to change your mind and rewrite and doing a
>> clear of text is really a pain.
>>
>> Otherwise, I love this thing!!! It's beautiful, sleek and a heck of
>> a lot better than my treo which I just replaced.
>>
>> -- dave
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>> http://beta.ixda.org/discuss?post=17740
>>
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11 Jul 2007 - 8:49am
Dave Malouf
2005

I'm getting about a day of use out of it and charging it every night.

Further, I've found another "bug" where safari crashes and I have
to restart (power off and power on the iPhone) in order to rectify
it. I think there is a caching limitation of some sort. clearing the
cache also seems to help.

The screen REALLY is a power hog it seems.

- -dave

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11 Jul 2007 - 9:07am
Anonymous

You can also 'force-quit' an application by going to main menu (Home
button) and holding down the touch button for the app which is stuck
for a few seconds. My iPod functions froze on me once, and a force-
quit worked for me. This saves a full reboot.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:49 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> I'm getting about a day of use out of it and charging it every night.
>
> Further, I've found another "bug" where safari crashes and I have
> to restart (power off and power on the iPhone) in order to rectify
> it. I think there is a caching limitation of some sort. clearing the
> cache also seems to help.
>
> The screen REALLY is a power hog it seems.
>
> - -dave
>
>
>
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