How many designers?

28 Aug 2007 - 12:06pm
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Morten Hjerde
2007

How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:11pm
White, Jeff
2007

42, obviously. :-)

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How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:13pm
Mark Schraad
2006

First can you define light bulb?

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:26pm
.pauric
2006

Four.
One to architect the light changing structure
One to define the process
One to to stand ready to test the light switch interaction

While the fourth goes of to find a developer to actually do the work.

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:25pm
Kevin Silver1
2006

5. You forgot the designer who's going to do the research, before
the one who's going to architect the light changing structure...

On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:26 AM, pauric wrote:

> Four.
> One to architect the light changing structure
> One to define the process
> One to to stand ready to test the light switch interaction
>
> While the fourth goes of to find a developer to actually do the work.
>
>
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28 Aug 2007 - 12:34pm
Jeffrey Stansberry
2007

Sorry, but the correct answer is ZERO... because Marketing claims the
light bulb never has to be changed.

Jeffrey Stansberry
jstansberry at quietspider.com

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:35pm
Todd Roberts
2005

Who's determining a light bulb is the correct solution to the problem?

> On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:26 AM, pauric wrote:
>
> > Four.
> > One to architect the light changing structure
> > One to define the process
> > One to to stand ready to test the light switch interaction
> >
> > While the fourth goes of to find a developer to actually do the work.
> >
> >
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28 Aug 2007 - 12:36pm
niklasw
2005

One to ask: Is it really a light bulb we need?

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:38pm
Dan Saffer
2003

At least 5.

One to create the product strategy for installing the bulb. "Do we
really need a lightbulb or is a flashlight more appropriate?"

One to do research. "What are the goals of the lightbulb?"

A third to wireframe a lightbulb. "Here's how it screws into the
socket."

A fourth to prototype it. "I made this lightbulb out of foamcore and
wire."

And a fifth to oversee the creative vision of it all. "What is a
lightbulb really? I'm picturing a bright object to illuminate the
dark corners of our souls."

Dan

28 Aug 2007 - 12:45pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

I'm going with a classic and timeless, stock IxD answer.

"It depends."

I want a t-shirt that says this.

-r-

On 8/28/07, Morten Hjerde <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
>
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28 Aug 2007 - 12:53pm
Morten Hjerde
2007

Only one, but s/he changes it over and over again.

otoh, that may depend on on the designer doing craft, art or science I guess
:-)

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28 Aug 2007 - 12:48pm
Joseph Selbie
2007

I don't see how this can even be discussed without some ethnographic
research to establish environmental and cultural attitudes that may affect
the process.

Joseph Selbie
Founder, CEO Tristream
http://www.tristream.com

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Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?

Who's determining a light bulb is the correct solution to the problem?

> On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:26 AM, pauric wrote:
>
> > Four.
> > One to architect the light changing structure
> > One to define the process
> > One to to stand ready to test the light switch interaction
> >
> > While the fourth goes of to find a developer to actually do the work.
> >
> >
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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> Kevin Silver
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>
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28 Aug 2007 - 1:27pm
Chris Pallé
2007

best. thread. ever.

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On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Selbie wrote:

> I don't see how this can even be discussed without some ethnographic
> research to establish environmental and cultural attitudes that may
> affect
> the process.
>
> Joseph Selbie
> Founder, CEO Tristream
> http://www.tristream.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf
> Of Todd
> Roberts
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:35 AM
> To: discuss at ixda.org
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?
>
> Who's determining a light bulb is the correct solution to the problem?
>
>
>> On Aug 28, 2007, at 10:26 AM, pauric wrote:
>>
>>> Four.
>>> One to architect the light changing structure
>>> One to define the process
>>> One to to stand ready to test the light switch interaction
>>>
>>> While the fourth goes of to find a developer to actually do the
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>> Kevin Silver
>> Clearwired Web Services
>>
>> 10899 Montgomery, Suite C
>> Albuquerque, NM 87109
>>
>> office: 505.217.3505
>> toll-free: 866.430.2832
>> fax: 505.217.3506
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28 Aug 2007 - 1:28pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

Hehehe ... the front could have the question that started this thread, and
the back could say "It depends".

I'd buy it. :)

-r-

On 8/28/07, Phillip Hunter <phillip at speechcycle.com> wrote:
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> Looks like it's time to start the ixda café press site.
>
> ph
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> Robert
> Hoekman, Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:46 PM
> To: Morten Hjerde
> Cc: IXDA list
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?
>
> I'm going with a classic and timeless, stock IxD answer.
>
> "It depends."
>
> I want a t-shirt that says this.
>
> -r-
>
>
>
>
> On 8/28/07, Morten Hjerde <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
> >
> > --
> > Morten Hjerde
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28 Aug 2007 - 1:32pm
Susie Robson
2004

But an "It depends" t-shirt already exists. I have 2 of them plus a coffee mug. Thanks to Jared Spool/User Interface Engineering. And they are about 10 years old. (the shirt and mug, not Jared)

Susie

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?

Hehehe ... the front could have the question that started this thread, and
the back could say "It depends".

I'd buy it. :)

-r-

On 8/28/07, Phillip Hunter <phillip at speechcycle.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like it's time to start the ixda café press site.
>
> ph
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert
> Hoekman, Jr.
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:46 PM
> To: Morten Hjerde
> Cc: IXDA list
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?
>
> I'm going with a classic and timeless, stock IxD answer.
>
> "It depends."
>
> I want a t-shirt that says this.
>
> -r-
>
>
>
>
> On 8/28/07, Morten Hjerde <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
> >
> > --
> > Morten Hjerde
> > http://sender11.typepad.com
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28 Aug 2007 - 1:16pm
Phillip Hunter
2006

Looks like it's time to start the ixda café press site.

ph

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Cc: IXDA list
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?

I'm going with a classic and timeless, stock IxD answer.

"It depends."

I want a t-shirt that says this.

-r-

On 8/28/07, Morten Hjerde <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
>
> --
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28 Aug 2007 - 12:56pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:

> At least 5.
>
> One to create the product strategy for installing the bulb. "Do we
> really need a lightbulb or is a flashlight more appropriate?"
>
> One to do research. "What are the goals of the lightbulb?"
>
> A third to wireframe a lightbulb. "Here's how it screws into the
> socket."
>
> A fourth to prototype it. "I made this lightbulb out of foamcore and
> wire."
>
> And a fifth to oversee the creative vision of it all. "What is a
> lightbulb really? I'm picturing a bright object to illuminate the
> dark corners of our souls."
>
> Dan

That's only if you are working at a great design firm like Adaptive
Path, of course. In a small software development company, it only
takes one designer to change a lightbulb. ;)

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
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simple elegant seductive
maybe even obvious IDEA.
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I cannot fail.

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28 Aug 2007 - 2:48pm
dmitryn
2004

Not to mention "designers" and "change".

Dmitry

On 8/28/07, Mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
> First can you define light bulb?
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 28, 2007, at 01:07PM, "Morten Hjerde" <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
> >How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
> >
> >--
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28 Aug 2007 - 3:45pm
skyburn
2005

Well...normally 1...but..

+1 because we need to user test the light bulb
+1 because marketing wants to build the box and brand the bulb
+1 because sales want to go global with the light bulb
+1 because engineering wants details specs of the bulb
+1 since we need to evangelize about the light bulb
+1 since we need to build a user community around the light bulb
+1 since we need to explore different directions we can take the light bulb

-Joe

On 8/28/07, Morten Hjerde <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
> How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
>
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28 Aug 2007 - 4:03pm
frank gruger
2007

Actually the light bulb was never implemented. The developers put in a
skylight. Your documentation is out of date.

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28 Aug 2007 - 5:39pm
mtumi
2004

It's a trick question. None. The programmers change it. The
designers just write the spec.

MT

28 Aug 2007 - 5:50pm
SemanticWill
2007

Who needs a Designer when everyone can design!

On 8/28/07, Michael Tuminello <mt at motiontek.com> wrote:
> It's a trick question. None. The programmers change it. The
> designers just write the spec.
>
> MT
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28 Aug 2007 - 6:23pm
Mark Schraad
2006

Excellent. Our list is recursive. Let's all adopt LISP.

On Aug 28, 2007, at 6:50 PM, W Evans wrote:

> Who needs a Designer when everyone can design!
>
>
> On 8/28/07, Michael Tuminello <mt at motiontek.com> wrote:
>> It's a trick question. None. The programmers change it. The
>> designers just write the spec.
>>
>> MT
>>

28 Aug 2007 - 6:37pm
bminihan
2007

I had back-to-back interviews for a job with six smart designers,
information architects and developers today, so while I'm in the mood,
albeit a bit late, I'll take the bulb-centered approach...

First, we need to interview the bulb in his native socket environment.
Determine what environmental influences are contributing to his lack of
luminosity ("deadness"). Next we will ask the bulb to complete one task in
a study where the switch is turned on, then off. We'll ask the bulb how he
felt about that task, and possibly record his responses via live satellite
video feed to the design shop back at the farm.

Then the real work begins. Write a persona called "Edison" to keep everyone
on track while we design, test and implement changes to the socket, the
switch, the lampshade. We may venture into the switch-flipping mechanism,
let's call that the "finger", but there's already another design firm
working on that system, so we may just need to pass our recommendations on
and hope the "finger" can cope with our enlightened changes down the road.

- Bryan
http://www.bryanminihan.com

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How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?

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28 Aug 2007 - 6:56pm
bminihan
2007

I had back-to-back interviews for a job with six smart designers,
information architects and developers today, so while I'm in the mood,
albeit a bit late, I'll take the bulb-centered approach...

First, we need to interview the bulb in his native socket environment.
Determine what environmental influences are contributing to his lack of
luminosity ("deadness"). Next we will ask the bulb to complete one task in
a study where the switch is turned on, then off. We'll ask the bulb how he
felt about that task, and possibly record his responses via live satellite
video feed to the design shop back at the farm.

Then the real work begins. Write a persona called "Edison" to keep everyone
on track while we design, test and implement changes to the socket, the
switch, the lampshade. We may venture into the switch-flipping mechanism,
let's call that the "finger", but there's already another design firm
working on that system, so we may just need to pass our recommendations on
and hope the "finger" can cope with our enlightened changes down the road.

- Bryan
http://www.bryanminihan.com

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How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?

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28 Aug 2007 - 7:16pm
Joe Pemberton
2007

Typical designers... When we get asked to scope the changing of a light bulb, we immediately believe that the job is really to design the perfect light bulb. (So much for business requirements...)

28 Aug 2007 - 8:33pm
dszuc
2005

One.

His name is Steve and he promptly renames it to the 'ibulb' :)

Rgds,
Dan

Daniel Szuc
Principal Usability Consultant
Apogee Usability Asia Ltd
www.apogeehk.com
'Usability in Asia'

The Usability Kit - http://www.theusabilitykit.com

28 Aug 2007 - 11:06pm
dcooney at umich.edu
2006

Presented with expectations of a changed lightbulb, we could consider
the ecology the interaction takes place in, including the energy system
the lightbulb is dependent on. Could the lightbulb situation be solved
with a low impact or no impact solution? This might be important to
the long term goals of the client, given that the energy to power an
average 60watt lightbulb produces about 6.8 kg (about 15 lbs) of carbon
over the bulb's lifetime (or 25kg of CO2)[low estimate]. How many
bulbs does the client expect to be changing this year? Does the client
expect to still be in operation in the future when the impact of all
those carbon emissions are fully felt?

Does the client truly need extra light in the room? Could we put in a
new window? That might improve the job satisfaction of the client's
employees as well as reduce carbon impact. If the client does need a
new light, we could a competitive analysis on LED light bulbs (do they
expect to need that light for a few years?) or compact florescent (is
the client ok with the mercury content?).

I mean, come on, we at least need to have a conversation with our
client about scope and business value before we just go and change the
lightbulb.

- Dan Cooney

28 Aug 2007 - 11:25pm
Chris McLay
2005

Just one%u2026 but they need time to properly consider the brief,
redefine it in their own terms, consider the solutions to the revised
brief, decide on the right course of action, find a torch because the
sun has gone down, and then to change the light bulb.

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28 Aug 2007 - 11:48pm
Carlos Celi
2006

About 0
All light bulb changing has been permanently outsourced to India.

28 Aug 2007 - 9:46pm
.pauric
2006

Daniel:"One.

His name is Steve and he promptly renames it to the 'ibulb' : )"

Does that make the person who turns on the light a 'switcher'.

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29 Aug 2007 - 7:19am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 28 Aug 2007, at 18:45, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:

> I'm going with a classic and timeless, stock IxD answer.
>
> "It depends."
>
> I want a t-shirt that says this.

There was a running joke at one place I worked that I could be
replaced by something that said "yes and no", "it depends" and "have
you looked at what the user does" at random :-)

Adrian

29 Aug 2007 - 1:59pm
Suresh JV
2004

User: How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
Developer: Cant we put some LEDs with dual colors? We don't need to change
anymore!
Designer: It Depends, (How about a CFL!. Fits into the current context
anyways)

Suresh.
-----------------------------------------------
Logic takes you from A to B.
Creativity takes you everywhere.
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29 Aug 2007 - 3:02pm
Mark Bardsley
2006

I am a bit surprised that we have not yet seen the potential of The
Clapper to come into this discussion and indeed back into popular use.
The clear analogy is that of DHTML being repurposed as AJAX and then
touted as the greatest interactive transformation to ever take place on
the web.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clapper

It might take any number of designers to change the bulb but unless they
can deploy this resurging Clapper technology it will not be a success.

- Mark Bardsley

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Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] How many designers?

User: How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
Developer: Cant we put some LEDs with dual colors? We don't need to
change
anymore!
Designer: It Depends, (How about a CFL!. Fits into the current context
anyways)

Suresh.

29 Aug 2007 - 1:07pm
Ben Kendall
2007

Just need to add "Perhaps" and "This is not the solution/feature
you are looking for" to have me. :P

-Ben

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30 Aug 2007 - 10:17am
Faith Peterson
2007

Really, we should't even be talking about it without a project charter and a
timesheet code.
-- Faith

On 8/29/07, Ben <benkendall333 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Just need to add "Perhaps" and "This is not the solution/feature
> you are looking for" to have me. :P
>
> -Ben
>
>
>
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31 Aug 2007 - 11:24am
Stew Dean
2007

On 28/08/2007, Morten Hjerde <mhjerde at gmail.com> wrote:
> How many designers does it take to change a light bulb?
>

Can't be done, it's a hardware engineer problem.

--
Stewart Dean

23 Mar 2010 - 6:55pm
David Farkas
2008

While we are changing the lightbulb, shouldn't we also look at the fixture, the wiring, and the whole system? After all, the lightbulb is just at the end of the system and we need to look at the entire workflow and process. 

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