IxDA Group on LinkedIn

22 Sep 2007 - 11:44am
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LukeW
2004

Hello IxDAers,
Thanks to the efforts of Micah Laaker, there is an IxDA group up and
running on LinkedIn. Joining will allow you to find and contact other
IxDA members on LinkedIn. The goal of this group is to help members:

* Reach other members of IxDA
* Accelerate careers/business through referrals from IxDA Group members
* Know more than a name – view rich professional profiles from fellow
IxDA Group members

Here's the link to join: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/3754/2B81F40C520B

thanks~

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22 Sep 2007 - 6:20pm
Juhan Sonin
2003

LinkedIn is a walled garden; one has to be a member of that individual
community to benefit from the service.

Should we be proponents of a SOCIAL service that at it's core is a
CLOSED system?

-Juhan

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22 Sep 2007 - 9:04pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Juhan,
This is in no way an official IxDA offering. Someone thought that
maybe there is a critical mass of IxDA folks on LinkedIn already and
why not link each other together through the group.

Again, this is not an official offering of IxDA.

There is also an Interaction Design Association group on Facebook.
People are thinking about doing the same on Slideshare.

Of course, all these are free so I'm not sure what "closed" means
in this regards other than maybe "no available API" (when you think
of LinkedIn that is).

This is also not a replacement for any planning that the IxDA board
may or may not do regarding social networking and community of
practice.

-- dave

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26 Sep 2007 - 1:05am
Peter Trudelle
2004

FWIW, LinkedIn is not a social service, it is clearly geared toward
collaboartive relationships, not social interatction. Also, in what
sense do you think it is "walled"? There is no charge for membership,
so it is open in at least that sense, if not in terms of APIs. What
other communities provide more significant benefits for non-members?

Peter

Juhan Sonin wrote:
> LinkedIn is a walled garden; one has to be a member of that individual
> community to benefit from the service.
>
> Should we be proponents of a SOCIAL service that at it's core is a
> CLOSED system?
>
> -Juhan
>
>
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26 Sep 2007 - 6:39am
chuise
2007

Personally, I think having a LinkedIn group is a great idea. LinkedIn
has always been a great way for me to maintain my network. I don't
agree that LinkedIn is a "walled garden", but it seems that there
is some speculation as to what Juhan meant by that. So, until he
explains further, I'll supspend any comment.

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26 Sep 2007 - 11:01am
Becubed
2004

> I don't
> agree that LinkedIn is a "walled garden", but it seems that there
> is some speculation as to what Juhan meant by that.

Typically, "walled garden" social networks are those whose data is available
only to members -- Facebook, for instance (profiles are now open to Google
search, but you'll see very little aside from the person's name unless you
join Facebook and become their friend somehow).

LinkedIn seems to have very low walls around its garden: public profiles
visible to search engines can be quite rich with data.

--
Robert Barlow-Busch
http://www.chopsticker.com

26 Sep 2007 - 12:53pm
Christine Boese
2006

While I despise walled garden in principle as much as the next person, I
draw the line at leaving myself open for spam harvesters and junk mail
people, to say nothing of casino and penis enlargement fixations.

The walls on Linked In and Facebook guard what needs guarding, imho. The New
York Times does not need guarding, and TimeSelect is gone gone gone. Now
tell me, why aren't more of the deep archives open?! (I know why, it's a
rhetorical question)

Chris

On 9/26/07, Robert Barlow-Busch <bbb at terapath.net> wrote:
>
> > I don't
> > agree that LinkedIn is a "walled garden", but it seems that there
> > is some speculation as to what Juhan meant by that.
>
> Typically, "walled garden" social networks are those whose data is
> available
> only to members -- Facebook, for instance (profiles are now open to Google
> search, but you'll see very little aside from the person's name unless you
> join Facebook and become their friend somehow).
>
> LinkedIn seems to have very low walls around its garden: public profiles
> visible to search engines can be quite rich with data.
>
> --
> Robert Barlow-Busch
> http://www.chopsticker.com
>
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26 Sep 2007 - 1:11pm
Juhan Sonin
2003

Luke, Dave, and others are pointing towards:

A Design Rolodex.
A global index of design talent, skills, and reputation.

I want that too.

A service that has restricted data (where access to given only those
who participate locally/within the app) is a walled garden. Building
a fence around your citizens (customer lock-in) is not a successful,
long-term solution to keep them from leaving. This undermines the
very nature of the social service. The data should be open.
Unfortunately, most social apps subscribe to the closed business
model. Note: there are many ways to make a buck with an open business
model.

MySpace = ~200 million users. That's a big garden: 2% of the global
population.
FaceBook = 34m
LinkedIn = 14m
Blogger, Flickr...

FaceBook is becoming more open with partial data access through their
API.

OpenID has promise. It leads towards a global ID which includes
profile and reputation data. We should only handle information once
versus inputing the same profile data across many disparate services.
Global identification is in great need of designers attention.

Data interoperability and openness ain't sexy but they%u2019re key
to growing spimes and connected services - and here's the stretch -
that combine data from my banking and financials, health records,
work product, energy footprint, food consumption, housing,
entertainment and games, and friends to supply my Life Dashboard.

-Juhan

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26 Sep 2007 - 1:25pm
Juhan Sonin
2003

Luke, Dave, and others are pointing towards:

A Design Rolodex.
A global index of design talent, skills, and reputation.

I want that too.

A service that has restricted data (where access to given only those
who participate locally/within the app) is a walled garden. Building
a fence around your citizens (customer lock-in) is not a successful,
long-term solution to keep them from leaving. This undermines the
very nature of the social service. The data should be
open. Unfortunately, most social apps subscribe to the closed
business model. Note: there are many ways to make a buck with an open
business model.

MySpace = ~200 million users. That's a big garden: 2% of the global
population.
FaceBook = 34m
LinkedIn = 14m
Blogger, Flickr...

FaceBook is becoming more open with partial data access through their
API.

OpenID has promise. It leads towards a global ID which includes
profile and reputation data. We should only handle information once
versus inputing the same profile data across many disparate
services.  Global identification is in great need of designers
attention. 

Data interoperability and openness ain't sexy but they%u2019re key
to growing spimes and connected services - and here's the stretch
- that combine data from my banking and financials, health records,
work product, energy footprint, food consumption, housing,
entertainment and games, and friends to supply my Life Dashboard.

-Juhan

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26 Sep 2007 - 1:38pm
lachica
2006

One step further towards 'Whuffie'? :)

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/whuffie_reputation_economies/

Cheers,
Julie

On 9/26/07, Juhan Sonin <juhan at mit.edu> wrote:
>
> Luke, Dave, and others are pointing towards:
>
> A Design Rolodex.
> A global index of design talent, skills, and reputation.
>
> I want that too.
>
> A service that has restricted data (where access to given only those
> who participate locally/within the app) is a walled garden. Building
> a fence around your citizens (customer lock-in) is not a successful,
> long-term solution to keep them from leaving. This undermines the
> very nature of the social service. The data should be open.
> Unfortunately, most social apps subscribe to the closed business
> model. Note: there are many ways to make a buck with an open business
> model.
>
> MySpace = ~200 million users. That's a big garden: 2% of the global
> population.
> FaceBook = 34m
> LinkedIn = 14m
> Blogger, Flickr...
>
> FaceBook is becoming more open with partial data access through their
> API.
>
> OpenID has promise. It leads towards a global ID which includes
> profile and reputation data. We should only handle information once
> versus inputing the same profile data across many disparate services.
> Global identification is in great need of designers attention.
>
> Data interoperability and openness ain't sexy but they%u2019re key
> to growing spimes and connected services - and here's the stretch -
> that combine data from my banking and financials, health records,
> work product, energy footprint, food consumption, housing,
> entertainment and games, and friends to supply my Life Dashboard.
>
> -Juhan
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Posted from the new ixda.org
> http://beta.ixda.org/discuss?post=20750
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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26 Sep 2007 - 2:01pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Hi Juhan,
I had a feeling that is what you meant.

The overall plan for the IxDA community of practice is to have this
sort of open (very open) type of system for all our members and
hopefully take advantage of open APIs as they are available.

I think a lot of USer IxDA members are already using LinkedIn, so
while it is small in number compared to the global population and
thus not really ubiquitous, I feel confident without any real data to
guess that among IxDA member that there are a ton of us (well over
50%) that are using LinkedIn.

for those who are making use of LinkedIn already (w/o judging their
political correctness) it seems to make sense to encourage and allow
them to use the tools that LinkedIn supports.

Now that being said, I would LOVE to see other networks w/ the IxDA
brand start and a global IxDA branded social network of its own that
can tie in (as much as technology allows) into the existing social
networks.

I have suggested on Facebook that we create an IxDA app there, but
have no idea what that would look like. Such a 3rd party app could be
a gateway to other apps like Twitter, IxDA CoP, etc.

So while I agree w/ your sentiment I'm not convinced of its
absolutist (all or nothing) direction.

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26 Sep 2007 - 2:09pm
Jeff Axup
2006

Juhan,

While in principal we would probably all like more interoperability between
social networking services, there really aren't a lot of alternatives to the
semi-walled-gardens currently. I think the Linked In IXDA group is a great
idea for now, and I have joined it.

The larger issues which are implied by your question are:

- How much control over our community/personal data to we want?
- What personal information do we want shared between which social
networking sites? (e.g. mixing Match.com content with LinkedIn
content)
- What are the use cases that provide justification for sharing data
usefully?
- Should there be a larger framework at a level above social
networking sites (e.g. a protocol or possibly ad-hoc network) which
ties them together (as you mentioned)?

-Jeff

On 9/26/07, lachica <lachicajulia at gmail.com> wrote:

> One step further towards 'Whuffie'? :)
>
> http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/whuffie_reputation_economies/
>
> Cheers,
> Julie
>
>
> On 9/26/07, Juhan Sonin <juhan at mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Luke, Dave, and others are pointing towards:
> >
> > A Design Rolodex.
> > A global index of design talent, skills, and reputation.
> >
> > I want that too.
> >
> > A service that has restricted data (where access to given only those
> > who participate locally/within the app) is a walled garden. Building
> > a fence around your citizens (customer lock-in) is not a successful,
> > long-term solution to keep them from leaving. This undermines the
> > very nature of the social service. The data should be open.
> > Unfortunately, most social apps subscribe to the closed business
> > model. Note: there are many ways to make a buck with an open business
> > model.
> >
> > MySpace = ~200 million users. That's a big garden: 2% of the global
> > population.
> > FaceBook = 34m
> > LinkedIn = 14m
> > Blogger, Flickr...
> >
> > FaceBook is becoming more open with partial data access through their
> > API.
> >
> > OpenID has promise. It leads towards a global ID which includes
> > profile and reputation data. We should only handle information once
> > versus inputing the same profile data across many disparate services.
> > Global identification is in great need of designers attention.
> >
> > Data interoperability and openness ain't sexy but they%u2019re key
> > to growing spimes and connected services - and here's the stretch -
> > that combine data from my banking and financials, health records,
> > work product, energy footprint, food consumption, housing,
> > entertainment and games, and friends to supply my Life Dashboard.
> >
> > -Juhan
> >
> >
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> > Posted from the new ixda.org
> > http://beta.ixda.org/discuss?post=20750
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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--
Thanks,
Jeff
____________________________________________________________________________
Jeff Axup, Ph.D.
Principal Consultant, Mobile Community Design Consulting, San Diego

Research: Mobile Group Research Methods, Social Networks, Group Usability
E-mail: axup <at> userdesign.com
Blog: http://mobilecommunitydesign.com
Moblog: http://memeaddict.blogspot.com
____________________________________________________________________________

27 Sep 2007 - 5:37am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 26 Sep 2007, at 19:38, lachica wrote:

> One step further towards 'Whuffie'? :)
>
> http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/whuffie_reputation_economies/

Folk like RapLeaf are trying to do that commercially too (e.g. http://
www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard)

Adrian

27 Sep 2007 - 5:41am
SemanticWill
2007

Adrian - what a complement:
"Meticulous bastard! Didn't let me get away with anything when he was my
manager, damn him!"
Posted by interstar_QzVJk <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Phil-Jones> for Adrian
Howard <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard> on Jul 30, 2007 as a
friend. | Show Response <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard#>"

Nice!

On 9/27/07, Adrian Howard <adrianh at quietstars.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 26 Sep 2007, at 19:38, lachica wrote:
>
> > One step further towards 'Whuffie'? :)
> >
> > http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/whuffie_reputation_economies/
>
> Folk like RapLeaf are trying to do that commercially too (e.g. http://
> www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard)
>
> Adrian
> ________________________________________________________________
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--
~ will

IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
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wkevans4 at gmail.com
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27 Sep 2007 - 5:46am
SemanticWill
2007

But this does bring up an interesting point as we think about the future of the IxDA site - would there ever be a need to build in certain social networking features and functions such as reputation, recommendation, ratings, etc. Certainly our list is much more free spirited and loose than, for instance, articles on Boxes and Arrows - so perhaps ratings of posts
might not be appropriate to have reputation points on IxDA, but most people would argue that some discussions on the list are more valuable than others and should bubble up to the top so more people can see them; for instance a list view feature; show all discussions; show highest rated discussions; most discussed, etc.
Thoughts?
-w

On 9/27/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adrian - what a complement:
> "Meticulous bastard! Didn't let me get away with anything when he was my
> manager, damn him!"
> Posted by interstar_QzVJk <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Phil-Jones> for Adrian
> Howard <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard> on Jul 30, 2007 as a
> friend. | Show Response <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard#>"
>
> Nice!
>
> On 9/27/07, Adrian Howard <adrianh at quietstars.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 26 Sep 2007, at 19:38, lachica wrote:
> >
> > > One step further towards 'Whuffie'? :)
> > >
> > > http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/whuffie_reputation_economies/
> >
> >
> > Folk like RapLeaf are trying to do that commercially too (e.g. http://
> > www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard)
> >
> > Adrian
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
> http://interaction08.ixda.org/
> -------------------------------------------------------
> will evans
> user experience architect
> wkevans4 at gmail.com
> -------------------------------------------------------

--
~ will

IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
http://interaction08.ixda.org/
-------------------------------------------------------
will evans
user experience architect
wkevans4 at gmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------

27 Sep 2007 - 11:12am
Baruch Sachs
2007

My feeling on adding some of these additional social interaction features is
that we should really determine if they add value. The difference to me, and
a lot of my colleagues across all areas including IxD is that LinkedIn is
really for professional networking, while Facebook and others of the same
ilk are much more social networking. I think LinkedIn does what they do very
well, so what would be the arguement for an IxDA replication of those
features?

On 9/27/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But this does bring up an interesting point as we think about the future
> of
> the IxDA site - would there ever be a need to build in certain social
> networking features and functions such as reputation, recommendation,
> ratings, etc. Certainly our list is much more free spirited and loose
> than,
> for instance, articles on Boxes and Arrows - so perhaps ratings of posts
> might not be appropriate to have reputation points on IxDA - but most
> people
> would argue that some discussions on the list are more valuable than
> others
> - and should bubble up to the top so more people can see them - for
> instance
> a list view feature - show all discussions, show highest rated
> discussions,
> most discussed, etc.
> Thoughts?
> -w
>
> On 9/27/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Adrian - what a complement:
> > "Meticulous bastard! Didn't let me get away with anything when he was my
> > manager, damn him!"
> > Posted by interstar_QzVJk <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Phil-Jones> for
> Adrian
> > Howard <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard> on Jul 30, 2007 as a
> > friend. | Show Response <http://www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard#>"
> >
> > Nice!
> >
> > On 9/27/07, Adrian Howard <adrianh at quietstars.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26 Sep 2007, at 19:38, lachica wrote:
> > >
> > > > One step further towards 'Whuffie'? :)
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/whuffie_reputation_economies/
> > >
> > >
> > > Folk like RapLeaf are trying to do that commercially too (e.g. http://
> > > www.rapleaf.com/pub/Adrian-Howard)
> > >
> > > Adrian
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~ will
> >
> > IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
> > http://interaction08.ixda.org/
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > will evans
> > user experience architect
> > wkevans4 at gmail.com
> > -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
> http://interaction08.ixda.org/
> -------------------------------------------------------
> will evans
> user experience architect
> wkevans4 at gmail.com
> -------------------------------------------------------
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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28 Sep 2007 - 2:06am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 27 Sep 2007, at 11:41, W Evans wrote:

> Adrian - what a complement:
> "Meticulous bastard! Didn't let me get away with anything when he
> was my manager, damn him!"
> Posted by interstar_QzVJk for Adrian Howard on Jul 30, 2007 as a
> friend. | Show Response"

Phil apparently meant it in a nice way - at least that's what he's
telling me :-)

Adrian

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