IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

13 Nov 2007 - 9:53am
3 years ago
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Christopher Fahey
2005

> what I would rather see is a live document (e.g. a Wiki) ...

I also think this is a great idea. Wasn't there already an IA Wiki?
Seems to be dead now.
http://www.iawiki.org/

Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something
wrong with it. What was it? Too little promotion? Not enough
participation? Bad IA? As I recall it was loaded up with content at
the beginning and rarely updated.

One problem is that our community might not be big enough to reliably
and continually generate rich content. Wikipedia's top 500
contributors write 50% of their content, but only comprise a tiny
fraction of their audience. In our world, that means we'll need to
rely on only maybe a dozen people to maintain a healthy Wiki. The IA
Wiki model, then, would need to attract participation at a much
higher level, I think.

The concept, again, seems great. Maybe it really just needs the
rubric of an org like IxDA to work.

-Cf

Christopher Fahey
____________________________
Behavior
biz: http://www.behaviordesign.com
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13 Nov 2007 - 10:17am
bminihan
2007

Why not identify Wikipedia entries that are lacking, and contribute to those
as a community? That way, there's no need to build/manage a separate Wiki,
and the IxDA.org site can just list those entries they feel need
updating...and no one has to learn a new place to go for IxDA reference
material...

One of my tenets..."put things where people already go to look for them,
don't make people find your new spot"

Bryan
http://www.bryanminihan.com

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> what I would rather see is a live document (e.g. a Wiki) ...

I also think this is a great idea. Wasn't there already an IA Wiki?
Seems to be dead now.
http://www.iawiki.org/

Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something
wrong with it. What was it? Too little promotion? Not enough
participation? Bad IA? As I recall it was loaded up with content at
the beginning and rarely updated.

One problem is that our community might not be big enough to reliably
and continually generate rich content. Wikipedia's top 500
contributors write 50% of their content, but only comprise a tiny
fraction of their audience. In our world, that means we'll need to
rely on only maybe a dozen people to maintain a healthy Wiki. The IA
Wiki model, then, would need to attract participation at a much
higher level, I think.

The concept, again, seems great. Maybe it really just needs the
rubric of an org like IxDA to work.

-Cf

Christopher Fahey
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me: http://www.graphpaper.com

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13 Nov 2007 - 10:38am
Becubed
2004

> Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something
> wrong with it. What was it?

Well, one problem was technical. A few times in the past year, I've tried to
add or edit content, only to get an error. If I'm remembering correctly, the
error was something along the lines of "out of storage space".

--
Robert Barlow-Busch
http://www.chopsticker.com

13 Nov 2007 - 10:49am
Adrian Howard
2005

On 13 Nov 2007, at 16:38, Robert Barlow-Busch wrote:

>> Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something
>> wrong with it. What was it?
>
> Well, one problem was technical. A few times in the past year, I've
> tried to
> add or edit content, only to get an error. If I'm remembering
> correctly, the
> error was something along the lines of "out of storage space".

When it worked it did have some nice content. I'll ask on the IA list
to see if anybody knows where/why it's gone...

Adrian

13 Nov 2007 - 11:02am
Dan Saffer
2003

On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Bryan Minihan wrote:

> Why not identify Wikipedia entries that are lacking, and contribute
> to those
> as a community?

The basic "interaction design" entry (english) is atrocious. Let's
start there.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interaction_design>

Dan

13 Nov 2007 - 2:52pm
Eric Scheid
2006

On 14/11/07 2:53 AM, "Christopher Fahey" <chris.fahey at behaviordesign.com>
wrote:

> I also think this is a great idea. Wasn't there already an IA Wiki?
> Seems to be dead now.
> http://www.iawiki.org/

Comatose, not dead - the server blew up. I'm relocating it to a new service,
and taking the opportunity to examine migrating to an updated platform.
There have been huge advances in wiki software in the 7 years the IAwiki
lived.

> Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something
> wrong with it. What was it? Too little promotion? Not enough
> participation? Bad IA? As I recall it was loaded up with content at
> the beginning and rarely updated.

It started with only a dozen or so pages, and before the server blew up it
had over a thousand pages. It was a quiet success, content wise.

My diagnosis for the low uptake by the IA community:
1. introduced at a time when few knew what a wiki was,
2. lots of IAs had a hard time reconciling the idea of something so
unstructured with the idea of IA,
3. lots of IA discussion and thought leadership was poured into a
new-fangled and blossoming technology called "blogging"

> One problem is that our community might not be big enough to reliably
> and continually generate rich content. Wikipedia's top 500
> contributors write 50% of their content, but only comprise a tiny
> fraction of their audience. In our world, that means we'll need to
> rely on only maybe a dozen people to maintain a healthy Wiki. The IA
> Wiki model, then, would need to attract participation at a much
> higher level, I think.

The participation model is similar to what happens with mailing lists - lots
of lurkers, a few active participants. However, for all the active
participants on this mailing list, you can't assume they'll update a wiki ..
only maybe 10% of those will.

> The concept, again, seems great. Maybe it really just needs the
> rubric of an org like IxDA to work.

It also needs a cultural context: non-ownership of ideas (vs. the egoism of
blogging), and documenting (vs discussion eg. mailing list participation).

e.

13 Nov 2007 - 2:55pm
Eric Scheid
2006

On 14/11/07 3:17 AM, "Bryan Minihan" <bjminihan at nc.rr.com> wrote:

> Why not identify Wikipedia entries that are lacking, and contribute to those
> as a community? That way, there's no need to build/manage a separate Wiki,
> and the IxDA.org site can just list those entries they feel need
> updating...and no one has to learn a new place to go for IxDA reference
> material...

A caveat: the wikipedia community have draconian views on what content they
will accept. Google for "citation needed" for some of the controversy. In
short: wikipedia will accept fact-based content only if it is documented
elsewhere first, and won't accept original invention of content or lively
opinions as content. Having the IxD discussions archived on the web seems to
be useful, in this context.

e.

13 Nov 2007 - 2:56pm
Christian Crumlish
2006

The host/owner of IA wiki became unable to maintain it. The IA
Institute offered to take it over and it's part of our larger "IA
resources initiative" to relaunch it, along with IA slash and our own
library and tools collections. We'll keep you posted on our progress
over here, but in the meantime there's no reason not to improve
Wikipedia or developer an Ixda-centric knowledge base.

-xian-

On 11/13/07, Adrian Howard <adrianh at quietstars.com> wrote:
>
> On 13 Nov 2007, at 16:38, Robert Barlow-Busch wrote:
>
> >> Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something
> >> wrong with it. What was it?
> >
> > Well, one problem was technical. A few times in the past year, I've
> > tried to
> > add or edit content, only to get an error. If I'm remembering
> > correctly, the
> > error was something along the lines of "out of storage space".
>
> When it worked it did have some nice content. I'll ask on the IA list
> to see if anybody knows where/why it's gone...
>
> Adrian
--
Christian Crumlish http://xianlandia.com
Yahoo! pattern detective http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns
IA Institute director of technology http://iainstitute.org

13 Nov 2007 - 5:11pm
Dave Malouf
2005

What do people think about this resource?
http://www.interaction-design.org/

I know that UXNet tried to start a relationship with this initiative
awhile ago, but I never saw anything come of it. Despite the title of
interaction-design is it really "interaction design" or is it just
UX?

-- dave

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24 May 2011 - 3:23pm
Arshad Samplewala
2008

Take a look at:

http://www.iawiki.com/

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