RANT: OmniGraffle Leopard Version

17 Apr 2008 - 5:07pm
6 years ago
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kimbieler
2007

Am I just retarded or is the canvases window in the new OmniGraffle
really confusing? The icons next to each layer only tell you which
ones are NOT active, not the ones that are (i.e., visible icons
indicate a negative, not a positive). And when you mouse over, a bunch
of icons come up that are hidden under the cursor. I'm constantly
selecting the wrong layers to show and hide because I can't tell
what's going on, which makes me feel very dumb indeed.

Let the voting commence:

A. [ ] User is retarded
B. [ ] Layer icons are poorly implemented

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Comments

17 Apr 2008 - 5:25pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> A. [ ] User is retarded
> B. [ X ] Layer icons are poorly implemented
>

I completely agree. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to edit a
shared layer the other day because I couldn't make it the active layer (I
was copy/pasting something from another layer).

-r-

17 Apr 2008 - 7:00pm
Jeffrey D. Gimzek
2007

Does this mean "Dont Upgrade" ?

I havent run OG in a couple months as we are in production now
(illustrator for me), but i am about to start a new project and will
be booting OG up.

The last upgrade was annoying also - mostly cause they moved a bunch
of stuff and changed icons for no apparent reason (new production
designer?)

jd

On Apr 17, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr wrote:
>>
>> A. [ ] User is retarded
>> B. [ X ] Layer icons are poorly implemented
>>
>
> I completely agree. It took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to
> edit a
> shared layer the other day because I couldn't make it the active
> layer (I
> was copy/pasting something from another layer).

- -

Jeffrey D. Gimzek | Senior User Experience Designer

http://www.glassdoor.com

17 Apr 2008 - 9:20pm
William Van Hecke
2008

Howdy,

Kim and Robert, I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the way we changed the layer settings icons in OmniGraffle 5. We're trying to reduce the amount of noise in the canvases sidebar, and only show you stuff that's "interesting" %u2014 stuff that's not in its "normal" state. That way, you can glance at the sidebar and tell what's different from normal by what has an icon and what doesn't, rather than what has an icon and what has a slightly different icon.

Clearly that wasn't the best possible choice for everyone. We definitely listen to people's opinions when it comes to this kind of stuff, especially people who reside directly in the middle of our "pro user" demographic. :D

Also, Robert, I have to agree that the little pencil thingy for layer editing should be easier to figure out, but we haven't yet found a great way to differentiate between layer *selection* and layer *editing*. If you have any ideas I'd love to hear them!

Jeffrey, I'd be interested in hearing what you found annoying about the changes in the "last upgrade", but I'm not sure which upgrade you mean: version 3 to version 4, or version 4 to version 5? Maybe I could offer some detail about why we made the changes we did, and hear what didn't work well for you.

I'll certainly add your voices to our feedback database, which we actually review and consider when we're working on new versions! If you ever have any questions or comments about Omni software, please feel welcome to use the Send Feedback command in the Help menu %u2014 we really do read and reply to it all.

Uh, I guess I have an IxDA account now! So I'll see you guys around...

17 Apr 2008 - 11:37pm
martin vian
2008

The layer selection and active options are a wee bit confusing for
about 2 minutes. IMHO the trade off in removing clutter is well worth
the effort to relearn the behavior. You've got complexity in a rich
application like this that isn't reducible to the same level as a
shopping site -- it's a production tool and thus there is a learning
curve. Even a well designed experience can't always deliver zero
learning curve, but the metric is whether it's efficient and elegant
once learned.

I think you have done a very nice job with the upgrade. Shared layers
are great and the quick access to editing a shared layer saves tons of
time over moving back and forth to a master layer -- and the visual
cues work well. It's been a few years since I've used Visio
(recovering Visio power user), but OG Pro is so much more gratifying
and productive. Sounds like a commercial I know, but I'm a fan...
still with v.5.

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