ADMIN: RE: Academic research and design

31 Oct 2004 - 9:01pm
9 years ago
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Dave Malouf
2005

Ok, I'm not pointing fingers ... But you, you, you, and oh you! ... Lets be
nice ok. I think there is actually something that is really worth discussing
here.

I think kevin Cheng responded with some good thoughts, I'll repeat them
here, as I think they got burried in the later conversations.

<< So summarizing:
1) nobody can separate info/visual/interaction from a product. They're
intertwined
2) given this, researchers must test knowing this and actively test
all aspects instead of trying to isolate
3) the "obvious" is not always so and research exists partially for
this reason >>

The questions that I have regarding this is whose responsibility is it to
guide programs to be the types that meet our needs as interaction designers?
It seems that the traditional HCI program is not really cuttin' it, and the
"professional" degree that the MID of CMU and Ivrea might not be "academic"
enough, and there definitely isn't a PhD program out there, quite yet to
match the HCI programs.

Is academia even an appropriate venue for this work? Or can "industry" do
better on its own?

I'm not advocating anything, just throwing out a ton of questions. I have a
ton more. ;)

-- dave

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2 Nov 2004 - 7:43am
Martyn Jones BSc
2004

David Heller wrote:
> The questions that I have regarding this is whose responsibility is it to
> guide programs to be the types that meet our needs as interaction
> designers?
> It seems that the traditional HCI program is not really cuttin' it, and
> the "professional" degree that the MID of CMU and Ivrea might not be
> "academic" enough, and there definitely isn't a PhD program out there,
> quite yet to match the HCI programs.

This concerns me a little - I am currently looking at Universities in the UK
for some sort of IxD Masters course (mostly because I have no formal
training in the area, and currently have no experienced mentor).

I realise the Careers Initiative at ixdg.org is still under construction,
but given that one of the organisation's goals is to "establish standards
for academic programs in interaction design" - will there one day be
listings / reviews of academic courses available?

Just a thought.

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Martyn Jones BSc
Interaction Designer
Kode Digital Ltd.
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2 Nov 2004 - 7:54am
Martyn Jones BSc
2004

Forgot to add this as an academic starting point:
http://www.usabilitynet.org/usability/university.htm#UK

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Martyn Jones BSc
Interaction Designer
Kode Digital Ltd.
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David Heller wrote:
> The questions that I have regarding this is whose responsibility is it to
> guide programs to be the types that meet our needs as interaction
> designers?
> It seems that the traditional HCI program is not really cuttin' it, and
> the "professional" degree that the MID of CMU and Ivrea might not be
> "academic" enough, and there definitely isn't a PhD program out there,
> quite yet to match the HCI programs.

This concerns me a little - I am currently looking at Universities in the UK
for some sort of IxD Masters course (mostly because I have no formal
training in the area, and currently have no experienced mentor).

I realise the Careers Initiative at ixdg.org is still under construction,
but given that one of the organisation's goals is to "establish standards
for academic programs in interaction design" - will there one day be
listings / reviews of academic courses available?

Just a thought.

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Martyn Jones BSc
Interaction Designer
Kode Digital Ltd.
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2 Nov 2004 - 9:53am
Abhishek Thakkar
2004

oh goody goody ....
I second Martin, I'll be looking for a course in 6 months from now :)

and tx for all the wisdom and links
--
Abhishek Thakkar
The Last of the Giants

6 Nov 2004 - 6:11pm
Dan Zlotnikov
2004

I'll third -- I'm looking as I write this (Mozilla tabs are great! ;).

Which seems to raise a question: Abhishek, Martin -- what would you
want to know about the program you're considering? Other than the
usual "percentage of graduates employed professionally within six
months."

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:23:13 +0530, Abhishek Thakkar <thakkar at gmail.com> wrote:
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
> oh goody goody ....
> I second Martin, I'll be looking for a course in 6 months from now :)
>
> and tx for all the wisdom and links
> --
> Abhishek Thakkar
> The Last of the Giants
>
>

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8 Nov 2004 - 6:02am
Martyn Jones BSc
2004

Dan Zlotnikov wrote:
> Which seems to raise a question: Abhishek, Martin -- what would you
> want to know about the program you're considering? Other than the
> usual "percentage of graduates employed professionally within six
> months."

I guess I'm really after testimonials from graduates and maybe from guest
lecturers (who work in the industry). It's east enough for a course outline
to throw around terms like Interaction Design - but how do I know we're both
speaking the same language? I'd also like some reassurance that the skills
I pickup will be relevant to the real world - maybe an end of year group
project - or research for industry would be useful. However, having said
that, I assume MRes and Msc allow/expect the students to do a large amount
of self-study - is the onus on me to make it vocational?

Interestingly, I've just started a job for the UK's Sector Skills
Development Agency. They're partly responsible for identifying skills
shortages and aiding Universities to create more relevant courses. I'll see
if I can get some direct input from them.

Martyn

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Martyn Jones BSc
Interaction Designer
Kode Digital Ltd.
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