Twitter

22 Oct 2008 - 1:03pm
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Melissa Sherman
2008

Interested in finding out who’s using Twitter and what for –
(Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
possibly unintended, uses for the product.

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22 Oct 2008 - 1:23pm
bekee
2008

i mostly follow close friends, strangers local to me, other ux'rs,
accessibility enforcers, ixda'rs, and the like. it makes me feel
warm inside to follow jared spool's travels, and wil wheaton's
endeavors.

since i started, i've discovered lots of online resources, and a
couple new t-shirt shops.

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22 Oct 2008 - 1:31pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

I think there was another thread about this recently—you might check the
IxDA archives for everyone's IDs.
I'm @rhjr.

Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
>

Adding a personal side to all the business. Most of my followers are people
who have read the books, seen me speak, clients, etc., so I talk about
design, point out articles and blog posts, etc, but then I also add in the
personal stuff — politics, life with 3 dogs, fun while traveling, and so on.
Brings the talking head to life (I hope).

and if anyone has found novel, possibly unintended, uses for the product.
>

Crowdsourcing, 5-second tests (using tests from www.fivesecondtest.com),
tips, tiny impromptu surveys.

-r-

22 Oct 2008 - 1:45pm
Mario Bourque
2008

Twitter is an amazing tool... if used correctly.

I've been able to:

1.) Connect with my own user community
2.) Connect with people in other related comminuties
3.) Create new personal and professional relationships
4.) Save money
5.) Become a more efficient communicator
6.) Get feedback

I've been having conversations with @*acclimedia<http://twitter.com/acclimedia>
* about this very topic. I'm almost inspired to write an article with her
about it.

Like everything, twitter can be used for evil. There are a lot of spammers
and many users are more concerned with # of followers than quality of their
own stream.

It can be incredibly powerful or dangerous. Remember that whatever you
"tweet" into the "twitterverse" is out there forever. It can make or break
you.

That being said, it is important to figure out what you want to get out of
twitter. I've lost the desire to FB or blog because of twitter. It's much
easier. Maybe I'm simply more lazy.

Ping me offline if you (or anyone) want(s) to chat about it. I'm not
professing to be an expert, just an opportunistic user.

--
Mario Bourque
Web: www.mariobourque.com
Email: mario at mariobourque.com
Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
> (Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
> communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
> possibly unintended, uses for the product.
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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22 Oct 2008 - 1:46pm
SemanticWill
2007

I let anyone (friends/ux community, co-workers/clients) follow me (and i
follow them), on twitter - and I have chosen to be real/authentic - so
clients don't get some sanitized corporate-speak version of the Will they
hired. So far - and there is a community of us, mostly from ixda - that talk
about design, ixd, ux, politics, music, conferences, people riding the short
bus (short out to my homie at NN/G), just about anything that catches our
fancy - and I have noticed that these conversations happen all day long.
Sharing cool articles and new ideas happen alot too - @armano posts a new
diagram, @daveIxD discussing a new article, @semanticwill complaining about
darn near everything.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
> (Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
> communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
> possibly unintended, uses for the product.
>
>
>
>
--
~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Evans | User Experience Architect
tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
aim: semanticwill | gtalk: wkevans4
twitter: semanticwill | skype: semanticwill
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22 Oct 2008 - 1:49pm
SemanticWill
2007

Word - and @mariobourque has introduced me to a number of cool people,
@whitneyhess blogs entire conferences for those that can't go, the list goes
on and on.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com>wrote:

> Twitter is an amazing tool... if used correctly.
>
> I've been able to:
>
> 1.) Connect with my own user community
> 2.) Connect with people in other related comminuties
> 3.) Create new personal and professional relationships
> 4.) Save money
> 5.) Become a more efficient communicator
> 6.) Get feedback
>
> I've been having conversations with @*acclimedia<
> http://twitter.com/acclimedia>
> * about this very topic. I'm almost inspired to write an article with her
> about it.
>
> Like everything, twitter can be used for evil. There are a lot of spammers
> and many users are more concerned with # of followers than quality of their
> own stream.
>
> It can be incredibly powerful or dangerous. Remember that whatever you
> "tweet" into the "twitterverse" is out there forever. It can make or break
> you.
>
> That being said, it is important to figure out what you want to get out of
> twitter. I've lost the desire to FB or blog because of twitter. It's much
> easier. Maybe I'm simply more lazy.
>
> Ping me offline if you (or anyone) want(s) to chat about it. I'm not
> professing to be an expert, just an opportunistic user.
>
>
> --
> Mario Bourque
> Web: www.mariobourque.com
> Email: mario at mariobourque.com
> Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
> > (Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
> > communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
> > possibly unintended, uses for the product.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
> > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
> > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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>

--
~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Evans | User Experience Architect
tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
aim: semanticwill | gtalk: wkevans4
twitter: semanticwill | skype: semanticwill
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

22 Oct 2008 - 1:53pm
Matt Nish-Lapidus
2007

Twitter has enabled me to have the kind of casual conversation with
people that you usually don't get on the internet... Email (especially
this list) can be overwhelming.. and not every topic is worth a whole
email. Twitter is more like all of us standing around in a room
talking over each other.

It's also a good way to see more of who somebody is outside of the
usual context. Most of the people I talk to are IxDA related in some
way, or local UX community peeps.

Plus.. I've had great conversations with people that I ordinarily
wouldn't have much access to...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Will Evans <will at semanticfoundry.com> wrote:
> Word - and @mariobourque has introduced me to a number of cool people,
> @whitneyhess blogs entire conferences for those that can't go, the list goes
> on and on.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com>wrote:
>
>> Twitter is an amazing tool... if used correctly.
>>
>> I've been able to:
>>
>> 1.) Connect with my own user community
>> 2.) Connect with people in other related comminuties
>> 3.) Create new personal and professional relationships
>> 4.) Save money
>> 5.) Become a more efficient communicator
>> 6.) Get feedback
>>
>> I've been having conversations with @*acclimedia<
>> http://twitter.com/acclimedia>
>> * about this very topic. I'm almost inspired to write an article with her
>> about it.
>>
>> Like everything, twitter can be used for evil. There are a lot of spammers
>> and many users are more concerned with # of followers than quality of their
>> own stream.
>>
>> It can be incredibly powerful or dangerous. Remember that whatever you
>> "tweet" into the "twitterverse" is out there forever. It can make or break
>> you.
>>
>> That being said, it is important to figure out what you want to get out of
>> twitter. I've lost the desire to FB or blog because of twitter. It's much
>> easier. Maybe I'm simply more lazy.
>>
>> Ping me offline if you (or anyone) want(s) to chat about it. I'm not
>> professing to be an expert, just an opportunistic user.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mario Bourque
>> Web: www.mariobourque.com
>> Email: mario at mariobourque.com
>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
>> > (Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
>> > communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
>> > possibly unintended, uses for the product.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________________________________________
>> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>> > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
>> > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> "Where you innovate, how you innovate,
> and what you innovate are design problems"
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Will Evans | User Experience Architect
> tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
> aim: semanticwill | gtalk: wkevans4
> twitter: semanticwill | skype: semanticwill
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ________________________________________________________________
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--
personal: mattnl at gmail.com
twitter: emenel

22 Oct 2008 - 1:54pm
Dave Malouf
2005

IxDA has 2 accounts right now (that I've seen).
@interaction09 for the upcoming conference and @ixda which is for
anyone.
The cool thing about @ixda is that it is set up as a grouptweet and
so if you direct message "d ixda [message]" it goes to all the
followers. Pretty neat!

I'm at @daveixd

For me it has been FUN! been a great way to connect w/ @BarackObama
supporters and argue with non-supporters, Talk design, network with
new people, promote IxDA stuff, post and find other tidbits here and
there. Did I mention the "fun"?

-- dave

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22 Oct 2008 - 1:55pm
DampeS8N
2008

I cannot for the life of me see the value in Twitter. I wish someone
would explain it to me. Looks like a bunch of mindless IMs whenever I
see it. It seems like IRC only no rooms and everyone is crazy.

Will

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22 Oct 2008 - 2:38pm
tahsin
2008

I agree that Twitter has little real value besides replicating in web form
what people have already done over IM.

I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this. What's the
killer app here that's new?

22 Oct 2008 - 3:13pm
Dave Malouf
2005

The way i see it, it is the intermediate of IRC & IM.
It has the advantages of individual asynchronous talking that IM
brings, but can also lead to real-time conversation to a group that
IRC brings.

It is like a train I can jump on and off of. It is referencable. i.e.
I can mark a tweet as a favorite (i.e. it has a URL in it that I want
to get back to). And it is subscriable in that my feed is an RSS feed
and all that that means.

The 140 character post limit also adds a special dimension that IM
and IRC don't have.

Also, and related to the 140char limit is that it is multi-channel
accessible and has a rich API which has led to neat creations.

I.e. I can send a message to "d ixda" and everyone following can
get it (sorta like this list).

In the end, it is a mode that requires an investment, an interest in
people's minutiae and the ability to tolerate just sheer bull-shit.
B/c in so doing you really get at a few things:
1) deeper relationships with those you didn't expect you could
2) nuggets of gold that I really don't get anywhere else.

Oh! and by merging my tweets with my facebook status I get another
mode that especially during this election period has been quite
special for me.

In the end, like any new medium, some people make it work and some
don't need it. I.e. I have a ton of friends who don't own TVs. They
see no need for it (especially in the internet age). Me? I can't live
w/o either my TV or my Twitter. ;-)

-- dave

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22 Oct 2008 - 3:14pm
SemanticWill
2007

the medium is the message - twitter is different. IM is one2one,
synchronous. twitter is many2matter, asynchronous, with no comitment, you
can jump in or out at will, IM requires you to actually be there/then. Email
conversations are more formal, although asynchronous, but also not condusive
to fleeting, check this out, kinds of things - and as those who have argued
about the power of ambient intimacy - it let's me keep tabs on those I don't
regularly communicate with so that when we hook up in meatspace, there is a
shared context.

I don't know about this "killer app" thing of which you speak - its a
medium/tool - it's not a distruptive technology - but then, there hasn't
been one of those since hypertext - everything since then is just
incremental fluff and marketing bs.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com> wrote:

> I agree that Twitter has little real value besides replicating in web form
> what people have already done over IM.
>
> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this. What's the
> killer app here that's new?
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Evans | User Experience Architect
tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
aim: semanticwill | gtalk: wkevans4
twitter: semanticwill | skype: semanticwill
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

22 Oct 2008 - 3:22pm
Dan Brown
2004

Check out Leisa Reichelt's blog post on Ambient Intimacy [1]. There are
people who I only see once a year (at conferences), but I'd like to get to
know them better. There are people who live in the same town as I do, but we
don't get to see each other all that often.
By following them on Twitter, I can remain in touch with them and their
lives.

Recall the last time you asked someone you hadn't seen in a while "What's
up?" or "How's things?". What did they say? Probably, "Oh, busy" and not too
much else. Why? Because after 6-12 months of not being in touch, there's too
much to say! Twitter breaks down that wall.

It's use as IM or a virtual watercooler is a nice side-effect, but not the
real value for me.

-- Dan

1. disambiguity - » Ambient
Intimacy<http://www.disambiguity.com/ambient-intimacy/>

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com> wrote:

> I agree that Twitter has little real value besides replicating in web form
> what people have already done over IM.
>
> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this. What's the
> killer app here that's new?
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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Also at: communicatingdesign.com • greenonions.com

22 Oct 2008 - 3:24pm
Andrew Otwell
2004

Like others, I enjoy Twitter most for the many tiny updates from friends
throughout the day.

Recently during the Design Engaged conference, we used it for group
coordination and last-minute updates; it was extremely useful.

Most interesting to me is how people are using it to give lightweight online
presences to non-human things like: houseplants (
http://www.botanicalls.com/twitter/) or the Tower Bridge in London (
http://twitter.com/towerbridge)

22 Oct 2008 - 3:25pm
Melissa Sherman
2008

I'll confess: I want everyone's twitter id. (Can we add a field on the member profile form?)

----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Brown <brownorama at gmail.com>
To: Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com>
Cc: discuss at ixda.org; William Brall <dampee at earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:22:42 PM
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Twitter

Check out Leisa Reichelt's blog post on Ambient Intimacy [1]. There are
people who I only see once a year (at conferences), but I'd like to get to
know them better. There are people who live in the same town as I do, but we
don't get to see each other all that often.
By following them on Twitter, I can remain in touch with them and their
lives.

Recall the last time you asked someone you hadn't seen in a while "What's
up?" or "How's things?". What did they say? Probably, "Oh, busy" and not too
much else. Why? Because after 6-12 months of not being in touch, there's too
much to say! Twitter breaks down that wall.

It's use as IM or a virtual watercooler is a nice side-effect, but not the
real value for me.

-- Dan

1. disambiguity - » Ambient
Intimacy<http://www.disambiguity.com/ambient-intimacy/>

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com> wrote:

> I agree that Twitter has little real value besides replicating in web form
> what people have already done over IM.
>
> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this. What's the
> killer app here that's new?
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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>

--

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22 Oct 2008 - 3:34pm
SemanticWill
2007

Oh - I forgot - I know of at least 3 people that got IxD/UX gigs via
twitter. I know one guy that got a speaking engagement through twitter. I
haven't heard of anyone getting married through twitter yet - but @K
announced his successful engagement over twitter. @russu announced his
forbidden love on twitter, and @zakiwarfel gave up on IM and now can only be
reached through twitter or telepathically.

--
~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Evans | User Experience Architect
tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
aim: semanticwill | gtalk: wkevans4
twitter: semanticwill | skype: semanticwill
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

22 Oct 2008 - 3:35pm
Carrie Ritch
2003

I found it very useful recently following @armano and @whitneyhess as
they posted bits & pieces from the IDEA and UI13 conferences that I
wasn't able to attend.

- Carrie

22 Oct 2008 - 3:38pm
tahsin
2008

I think it definitely is a personal choice.

If I went to a party, I would rather have one night-long deep conversation
with 1 person than 50 short conversations with many people. Sure I spend a
lot of time on the web, but I also feel that the web has lessened
interaction between people on a personal level, to a degree that everyone is
just a blurb of their real personality.

If I were to liken Twitter to anything, it would be like setting up your own
personal forum/IM chat, a place where only you and your friends and anyone
you'd like to share your id with can constantly chat.

I agree, the medium is the message, and the medium itself is still too
impersonal for me to really communicate with someone.

22 Oct 2008 - 3:47pm
SemanticWill
2007

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com> wrote:

> I think it definitely is a personal choice.
>
> If I went to a party, I would rather have one night-long deep conversation
> with 1 person than 50 short conversations with many people. Sure I spend a
> lot of time on the web, but I also feel that the web has lessened
> interaction between people on a personal level, to a degree that everyone
> is
> just a blurb of their real personality.

Agreed - one long conversation in meatspace is definitely better - I still
don't buy the notion of a bunch of folks going to a bar, and between sips,
tweeting the conversation - but to each his own.

>
>
> If I were to liken Twitter to anything, it would be like setting up your
> own
> personal forum/IM chat, a place where only you and your friends and anyone
> you'd like to share your id with can constantly chat.

Yeah - I think @daveIxD likened it to IRC - which seems the closest 'analog'
pardon the mixed usage.

>
>
> I agree, the medium is the message, and the medium itself is still too
> impersonal for me to really communicate with someone.

it can be inane and impersonal sometimes - but it can act as a gateway drug
to great intimacy with folks, but it's still more group focused, and there
is still no I in threesome. (thanks @*jayamorgan<http://twitter.com/jayamorgan>
)*

~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Will Evans | User Experience Architect
tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
aim: semanticwill | gtalk: wkevans4
twitter: semanticwill | skype: semanticwill
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

22 Oct 2008 - 4:03pm
Steve Baty
2009

Melissa,

You'll find me @docbaty - and my only recommendation would be to try twitter
(if you haven't already) and see what *you* get out of it, since it seems to
be different for everybody.

But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with fellow
practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown, Mario
Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time throughout the
day. As well as speak to my wife about my day; let my Dad know what I'm up
to; vent a little; organize a beer in the local pub with anyone who happens
to be nearby; source staff for a project; or catch up with friends.

Give it a try.
Steve

2008/10/23 Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>

> Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
> (Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
> communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
> possibly unintended, uses for the product.
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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22 Oct 2008 - 4:10pm
Melissa Sherman
2008

I'm there (@melisherman)
and I use it a lot lately – along with thinking about various uses.

As someone who designs
software for a very specific audience (plant and process anyone?) it can be
enough to simply design a good 3D equipment modeler. But I can’t help but
want to see how things like twitter can be used to increase design
collaboration and help reduce design process waste.

Thus my earlier question
regarding novel uses…

________________________________
From: Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com>
To: Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>; IxDA List <discuss at ixda.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:03:18 PM
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Twitter

Melissa,

You'll find me @docbaty - and my only recommendation would be to try twitter (if you haven't already) and see what *you* get out of it, since it seems to be different for everybody.

But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with fellow practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown, Mario Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time throughout the day. As well as speak to my wife about my day; let my Dad know what I'm up to; vent a little; organize a beer in the local pub with anyone who happens to be nearby; source staff for a project; or catch up with friends.

Give it a try.
Steve

2008/10/23 Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>

Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
(Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
possibly unintended, uses for the product.

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22 Oct 2008 - 4:12pm
Jay Morgan
2006

Since i've been called out regarding threesomes, I'll instantiate one here
and share the sentiment i expressed in my latest tweet:
"Ode to the tweethaters: someone must sit behind the wave and declare the
idea of tide unproven, their skepticism of fluidity unchanged."

That came to mind after reading william brall and tahsin shamma's points
that the value isn't there. There's a difference between what you can't see
and what isn't there. I don't have to understand tides to derive pleasure
from going to the beach and enjoying a swim at my leisure. I'd rather you
get in the water yourself than have to explain it to you.

Results of using twitter: the laconic art learned under the selection
pressure of 140char or less. And, i lost 3 inches from my waist by
economizing.

Getting back to some -me time...

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Will Evans <will at semanticfoundry.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think it definitely is a personal choice.
> >
> > If I went to a party, I would rather have one night-long deep
> conversation
> > with 1 person than 50 short conversations with many people. Sure I spend
> a
> > lot of time on the web, but I also feel that the web has lessened
> > interaction between people on a personal level, to a degree that everyone
> > is
> > just a blurb of their real personality.
>
>
> Agreed - one long conversation in meatspace is definitely better - I still
> don't buy the notion of a bunch of folks going to a bar, and between sips,
> tweeting the conversation - but to each his own.
>
> >
> >
> > If I were to liken Twitter to anything, it would be like setting up your
> > own
> > personal forum/IM chat, a place where only you and your friends and
> anyone
> > you'd like to share your id with can constantly chat.
>
> Yeah - I think @daveIxD likened it to IRC - which seems the closest
> 'analog'
> pardon the mixed usage.
>
> >
> >
> > I agree, the medium is the message, and the medium itself is still too
> > impersonal for me to really communicate with someone.
>
>
> it can be inane and impersonal sometimes - but it can act as a gateway drug
> to great intimacy with folks, but it's still more group focused, and there
> is still no I in threesome. (thanks @*jayamorgan<
> http://twitter.com/jayamorgan>
> )*
>
> ~ will
>
> "Where you innovate, how you innovate,
> and what you innovate are design problems"
>
>
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22 Oct 2008 - 4:13pm
SemanticWill
2007

@beezy gave a lecture a month ago in DC and argued for using twitter to do
user research on companies. Companies are also using twitter to do
competitive research and find out what people are saying about their
products. Unfortunately, I bet #comcast doesn't or they would be disturbed
at how thoroughly people hate them

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'm there (@melisherman)
> and I use it a lot lately – along with thinking about various uses.
>
> As someone who designs
> software for a very specific audience (plant and process anyone?) it can be
> enough to simply design a good 3D equipment modeler. But I can't help but
> want to see how things like twitter can be used to increase design
> collaboration and help reduce design process waste.
>
> Thus my earlier question
> regarding novel uses…
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com>
> To: Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>; IxDA List <discuss at ixda.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:03:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Twitter
>
> Melissa,
>
> You'll find me @docbaty - and my only recommendation would be to try
> twitter (if you haven't already) and see what *you* get out of it, since it
> seems to be different for everybody.
>
> But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with fellow
> practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown, Mario
> Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time throughout the
> day. As well as speak to my wife about my day; let my Dad know what I'm up
> to; vent a little; organize a beer in the local pub with anyone who happens
> to be nearby; source staff for a project; or catch up with friends.
>
> Give it a try.
> Steve
>
>
> 2008/10/23 Melissa Sherman <melisherman at yahoo.com>
>
> Interested in finding out who's using Twitter and what for –
> (Personal updates? Reinforcing/building
> communities? Work related announcements?) and if anyone has found novel,
> possibly unintended, uses for the product.
>
>
>
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22 Oct 2008 - 4:40pm
Mario Bourque
2008

Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is). Thanks for
including me. I enjoy those conversations too.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with fellow
> practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown, Mario
> Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time throughout the
> day.

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22 Oct 2008 - 5:03pm
Dave Malouf
2005

OH! and did people see what Current.tv did w/ Twitter during the
debates. While I know that some have seen IM over MTv the way that I
could reply to people was very dfiferent than the IM/MTv space and it
all being done in a very open way was empowering. Why? B/c I knew that
500 people saw it besides the rest of the TV audience who in 3 debates
only saw 1 of my 100/debate tweets. ;-)

(thanx to everyone who didn't unfollow me!)

Again, I still liken it to TV. It ain't for everyone, and ya know
what, it doesn't have to be.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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22 Oct 2008 - 5:05pm
Loren Baxter
2007

I'm still figuring out how Twitter is useful.. it seems like a network that
develops pretty slowly. I've gotten to talk to some UX folk that I never
might have met otherwise, which is fun. Crowdsourcing is pretty tough when
you don't have many followers, but it looks like an awesome power to have.
However, one point is clear, that Twitter can connect you painlessly with
strangers and / or industry stars. IM never did that, not for me - seems
too awkward and personal, like calling someone out of the blue.

Random note: I was looking for Mario on twitter and stumbled on his
"mis-spelling" redirect account - totally awesome:
https://twitter.com/marioborque Unfortunately I showed up too late to snag
"laurenbaxter".

Loren

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com>wrote:

> Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is). Thanks for
> including me. I enjoy those conversations too.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with fellow
> > practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown, Mario
> > Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time throughout
> the
> > day.
>
>
> --
> Mario Bourque
> Web: www.mariobourque.com
> Email: mario at mariobourque.com
> Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
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22 Oct 2008 - 5:10pm
SemanticWill
2007

Add your twitter to your sig - gain more followers, become rockstar, get
better job, move to Beverly Hills, get a healthy XXX addiction, check into
rehab, recover, go on twitter intervention lecture circuit.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Loren Baxter <loren.baxter at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm still figuring out how Twitter is useful.. it seems like a network that
> develops pretty slowly. I've gotten to talk to some UX folk that I never
> might have met otherwise, which is fun. Crowdsourcing is pretty tough when
> you don't have many followers, but it looks like an awesome power to have.
> However, one point is clear, that Twitter can connect you painlessly with
> strangers and / or industry stars. IM never did that, not for me - seems
> too awkward and personal, like calling someone out of the blue.
>
> Random note: I was looking for Mario on twitter and stumbled on his
> "mis-spelling" redirect account - totally awesome:
> https://twitter.com/marioborque Unfortunately I showed up too late to
> snag
> "laurenbaxter".
>
> Loren
>
> -----
> http://acleandesign.com
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is). Thanks
> for
> > including me. I enjoy those conversations too.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with
> fellow
> > > practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown,
> Mario
> > > Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time throughout
> > the
> > > day.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mario Bourque
> > Web: www.mariobourque.com
> > Email: mario at mariobourque.com
> > Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
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22 Oct 2008 - 5:12pm
Jay Morgan
2006

Will, would you please tweet that so i can favorite it?

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Will Evans <will at semanticfoundry.com>wrote:

> Add your twitter to your sig - gain more followers, become rockstar, get
> better job, move to Beverly Hills, get a healthy XXX addiction, check into
> rehab, recover, go on twitter intervention lecture circuit.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Loren Baxter <loren.baxter at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I'm still figuring out how Twitter is useful.. it seems like a network
> that
> > develops pretty slowly. I've gotten to talk to some UX folk that I never
> > might have met otherwise, which is fun. Crowdsourcing is pretty tough
> when
> > you don't have many followers, but it looks like an awesome power to
> have.
> > However, one point is clear, that Twitter can connect you painlessly with
> > strangers and / or industry stars. IM never did that, not for me - seems
> > too awkward and personal, like calling someone out of the blue.
> >
> > Random note: I was looking for Mario on twitter and stumbled on his
> > "mis-spelling" redirect account - totally awesome:
> > https://twitter.com/marioborque Unfortunately I showed up too late to
> > snag
> > "laurenbaxter".
> >
> > Loren
> >
> > -----
> > http://acleandesign.com
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is). Thanks
> > for
> > > including me. I enjoy those conversations too.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with
> > fellow
> > > > practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown,
> > Mario
> > > > Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time
> throughout
> > > the
> > > > day.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mario Bourque
> > > Web: www.mariobourque.com
> > > Email: mario at mariobourque.com
> > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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>
>
> --
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>
> "Where you innovate, how you innovate,
> and what you innovate are design problems"
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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22 Oct 2008 - 5:30pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this.

Not everything is designed to meet a "need".

-r-

22 Oct 2008 - 5:33pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> I haven't heard of anyone getting married through twitter yet - but @K
> announced his successful engagement over twitter.

@garazi actually asked @stefsull to marry him over Twitter. It even made the
tech news on several big sites.

-r-

22 Oct 2008 - 5:35pm
regnard
2006

My issue with twitter is that discussions are have a very, very short
lifespan (things get buried fast).
Perhaps that's why I like plurk (www.plurk.com) a little better, it presents
status messages in a timeline that's easier to browse.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Will Evans <will at semanticfoundry.com>wrote:

> Add your twitter to your sig - gain more followers, become rockstar, get
> better job, move to Beverly Hills, get a healthy XXX addiction, check into
> rehab, recover, go on twitter intervention lecture circuit.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Loren Baxter <loren.baxter at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I'm still figuring out how Twitter is useful.. it seems like a network
> that
> > develops pretty slowly. I've gotten to talk to some UX folk that I never
> > might have met otherwise, which is fun. Crowdsourcing is pretty tough
> when
> > you don't have many followers, but it looks like an awesome power to
> have.
> > However, one point is clear, that Twitter can connect you painlessly with
> > strangers and / or industry stars. IM never did that, not for me - seems
> > too awkward and personal, like calling someone out of the blue.
> >
> > Random note: I was looking for Mario on twitter and stumbled on his
> > "mis-spelling" redirect account - totally awesome:
> > https://twitter.com/marioborque Unfortunately I showed up too late to
> > snag
> > "laurenbaxter".
> >
> > Loren
> >
> > -----
> > http://acleandesign.com
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is). Thanks
> > for
> > > including me. I enjoy those conversations too.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with
> > fellow
> > > > practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown,
> > Mario
> > > > Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time
> throughout
> > > the
> > > > day.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mario Bourque
> > > Web: www.mariobourque.com
> > > Email: mario at mariobourque.com
> > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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>
>
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> "Where you innovate, how you innovate,
> and what you innovate are design problems"
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Will Evans | User Experience Architect
> tel: +1.617.281.1281 | will at semanticfoundry.com
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>
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22 Oct 2008 - 5:35pm
Jay Morgan
2006

rather, not every need is evenly distributed.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr <robert at rhjr.net> wrote:

> >
> > I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this.
>
>
> Not everything is designed to meet a "need".
>
> -r-
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22 Oct 2008 - 5:35pm
DampeS8N
2008

I can see how various elements of twitter can be useful. I see how it
changes the dynamics of various aspect.

However, if we are going to bring up McLuhan, Will, let's take a
real analysis of the medium.

The 140 character limit means you can't say much, which means the
value of the tweet is in immediate impact. And the value of the
device as a whole is in the ability to screen tweets to get a bead on
a topic.

There are various twitter-using devices, like election.twitter.com
that are mining tweets to give a message, but that message is
cacophonous. It is also trite.

It is reinforcing what is mainly negative. It reinforces ignorance,
group-think, misinformation, hegemony, trend-following, and impulsive
behavior.

>From the perspective of McLuhan it is extremely hot, and that is why
it might have taken off so fast. However, it is also mainly
valueless. So it is analogous to gossip, only on a mass scale and
syndicated.

It creates a culture where the quick idea propagates and the
well-structured is too slow to take hold. It is functionally the
opposite of intelligence. It is a lot like flocking behavior, only
textual.

It is too slim to afford good arguments, it is too frantic to afford
good thought, and it is too uncontrolled to afford good masking.

If you could control what you saw with a more meaningful value than
who you watch, it could be of real value, but by using that paradigm,
it forces the user to be constantly screening garbage.

Even a simple Bayesian filter and a thumbs-up thumbs-down system
could create a valuable system. Where the meaningful is heard and the
various garbage is squelched.

Will

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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22 Oct 2008 - 6:00pm
SemanticWill
2007

"all these (tweetes) gone - like tears in rain. Time to die" - blade
runner

will evans
emotive architect &
hedonic designer
will at semanticfoundry.com
617.281.1281
twitter: semanticwill
aim: semanticwill
gtalk: wkevans4
skype: semanticwill
_________________________
Sent via iPhone

On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:35 PM, "Regnard Raquedan" <regnard at raquedan.com>
wrote:

> My issue with twitter is that discussions are have a very, very short
> lifespan (things get buried fast).
> Perhaps that's why I like plurk (www.plurk.com) a little better, it
> presents
> status messages in a timeline that's easier to browse.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Will Evans
> <will at semanticfoundry.com>wrote:
>
>> Add your twitter to your sig - gain more followers, become
>> rockstar, get
>> better job, move to Beverly Hills, get a healthy XXX addiction,
>> check into
>> rehab, recover, go on twitter intervention lecture circuit.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Loren Baxter <loren.baxter at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still figuring out how Twitter is useful.. it seems like a
>>> network
>> that
>>> develops pretty slowly. I've gotten to talk to some UX folk that
>>> I never
>>> might have met otherwise, which is fun. Crowdsourcing is pretty
>>> tough
>> when
>>> you don't have many followers, but it looks like an awesome power to
>> have.
>>> However, one point is clear, that Twitter can connect you
>>> painlessly with
>>> strangers and / or industry stars. IM never did that, not for me
>>> - seems
>>> too awkward and personal, like calling someone out of the blue.
>>>
>>> Random note: I was looking for Mario on twitter and stumbled on his
>>> "mis-spelling" redirect account - totally awesome:
>>> https://twitter.com/marioborque Unfortunately I showed up too
>>> late to
>>> snag
>>> "laurenbaxter".
>>>
>>> Loren
>>>
>>> -----
>>> http://acleandesign.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is).
>>>> Thanks
>>> for
>>>> including me. I enjoy those conversations too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with
>>> fellow
>>>>> practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown,
>>> Mario
>>>>> Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time
>> throughout
>>>> the
>>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mario Bourque
>>>> Web: www.mariobourque.com
>>>> Email: mario at mariobourque.com
>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
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>>
>>
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>>
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>> and what you innovate are design problems"
>>
>>
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22 Oct 2008 - 6:09pm
Melissa Sherman
2008

perfect!

----- Original Message ----
From: William Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com>
To: Regnard Raquedan <regnard at raquedan.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 4:00:50 PM
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Twitter

"all these (tweetes) gone - like tears in rain. Time to die" - blade
runner

will evans
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hedonic designer
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617.281.1281
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aim: semanticwill
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On Oct 22, 2008, at 6:35 PM, "Regnard Raquedan" <regnard at raquedan.com>
wrote:

> My issue with twitter is that discussions are have a very, very short
> lifespan (things get buried fast).
> Perhaps that's why I like plurk (www.plurk.com) a little better, it
> presents
> status messages in a timeline that's easier to browse.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Will Evans
> <will at semanticfoundry.com>wrote:
>
>> Add your twitter to your sig - gain more followers, become
>> rockstar, get
>> better job, move to Beverly Hills, get a healthy XXX addiction,
>> check into
>> rehab, recover, go on twitter intervention lecture circuit.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Loren Baxter <loren.baxter at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still figuring out how Twitter is useful.. it seems like a
>>> network
>> that
>>> develops pretty slowly. I've gotten to talk to some UX folk that
>>> I never
>>> might have met otherwise, which is fun. Crowdsourcing is pretty
>>> tough
>> when
>>> you don't have many followers, but it looks like an awesome power to
>> have.
>>> However, one point is clear, that Twitter can connect you
>>> painlessly with
>>> strangers and / or industry stars. IM never did that, not for me
>>> - seems
>>> too awkward and personal, like calling someone out of the blue.
>>>
>>> Random note: I was looking for Mario on twitter and stumbled on his
>>> "mis-spelling" redirect account - totally awesome:
>>> https://twitter.com/marioborque Unfortunately I showed up too
>>> late to
>>> snag
>>> "laurenbaxter".
>>>
>>> Loren
>>>
>>> -----
>>> http://acleandesign.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Mario Bourque <lists at mariobourque.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, that's a pretty distinguished list (except for me that is).
>>>> Thanks
>>> for
>>>> including me. I enjoy those conversations too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Steve Baty <stevebaty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I thoroughly enjoy the fact that I can chat/banter/debate with
>>> fellow
>>>>> practitioners like Russ Unger, Will Evans, Dave Malouf, Dan Brown,
>>> Mario
>>>>> Bourque, Livia Labate, Christina Wodtke etc etc at any time
>> throughout
>>>> the
>>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mario Bourque
>>>> Web: www.mariobourque.com
>>>> Email: mario at mariobourque.com
>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> "Where you innovate, how you innovate,
>> and what you innovate are design problems"
>>
>>
>> ---
>> ---
>> ---
>> ---
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>> ---
>> ---
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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22 Oct 2008 - 6:49pm
Loren Baxter
2007

Will B., good points, but I think you're focusing the criticism solely on
Twitter as a medium for communicating thoughts and ideas. What about
Twitter as a medium for connecting to other people and building
relationships? I've been able, and in fact encouraged, to have personal
conversations with people that I never would have otherwise. That is a
result that simply can't be denied. The value of the actual conversation
might be negligible, but the relationship is priceless.

Loren

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM, William Brall <dampee at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> It is too slim to afford good arguments, it is too frantic to afford
> good thought, and it is too uncontrolled to afford good masking.
>

22 Oct 2008 - 6:55pm
SemanticWill
2007

Wow! - Bravo for the Gibson reference. Way to pull an old cyberpunk quote
out of the ether, recontextualize it and fire it off into the zeitgeist like
that. nicely played.

Original quote: "*The future is here*. *It's just not evenly
distributed*yet." ~ William Gibson.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Jay Morgan <jayamorgan at gmail.com> wrote:

> rather, not every need is evenly distributed.
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr <robert at rhjr.net>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this.
> >
> >
> > Not everything is designed to meet a "need".
> >
> > -r-
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22 Oct 2008 - 7:12pm
Dave Malouf
2005

regnard,
I was also a big plurk advocate when it first came out. My issue w/
plurk is that it is the Betamax of Twitter. It just doesn't have the
critical mass to keep me there and so now it is just annoying.

I wonder if someone using the API of twitter can replicate the GUI.
Interesting project. The one thing I might remove is the "timeline"
of plurk.

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22 Oct 2008 - 7:25pm
Mario Bourque
2008

Twitter's beauty is in it's simplicity. Sure, it may reinforce a whole bunch
of crap; but I can tweet something and follow up via email, phone, or in
person. If you throw all your fish in one bucket, it's not all that
effective. Once you build relationships, those 140 character tweets are bits
of larger conversations.

For a lot of people, it's pure voyeurism. Waste of time, boring, yawn, who
the f*** cares about a cat peeing on a carpet. For others, it's a tool that
enables connections, relationships, and quick communications. It is what
goes on behind the scenes that is magic. If you've ever gone to a tweetup,
you'd see how twitter has helped created great friendships.

I keep saying that it's not about how many followers you have, it's about
the quality of your stream. I'm managing with 170 or so and I tweak as
necessary. Just because I don't follow people back doesn't mean I don't read
their tweets, I just do it offline. It's difficult to manage so much traffic
at once. I also always reply to @ messsages.

It has given me access to a worldwide network of experts and I've developed
some great personal relationships as a result. I have better relationships
with my twitter friends than with people I see every day. It fits my need
and has made me even more productive.

Like everything your use and participation is what you make of it. My wife
also thinks it's lame, but she has no use for it, other than I can direct
message her email account from twitter :)

I think twitter is great, although their infrastructure has caused us all
headaches at one time or another.

It's not for everybody; however, it's made me rethink a lot of the way that
I design interactions.

--
Mario Bourque
Web: www.mariobourque.com
Email: mario at mariobourque.com
Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM, William Brall <dampee at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I can see how various elements of twitter can be useful. I see how it
> changes the dynamics of various aspect.
>
> However, if we are going to bring up McLuhan, Will, let's take a
> real analysis of the medium.
>
> The 140 character limit means you can't say much, which means the
> value of the tweet is in immediate impact. And the value of the
> device as a whole is in the ability to screen tweets to get a bead on
> a topic.
>
> There are various twitter-using devices, like election.twitter.com
> that are mining tweets to give a message, but that message is
> cacophonous. It is also trite.
>
> It is reinforcing what is mainly negative. It reinforces ignorance,
> group-think, misinformation, hegemony, trend-following, and impulsive
> behavior.
>
> >From the perspective of McLuhan it is extremely hot, and that is why
> it might have taken off so fast. However, it is also mainly
> valueless. So it is analogous to gossip, only on a mass scale and
> syndicated.
>
> It creates a culture where the quick idea propagates and the
> well-structured is too slow to take hold. It is functionally the
> opposite of intelligence. It is a lot like flocking behavior, only
> textual.
>
> It is too slim to afford good arguments, it is too frantic to afford
> good thought, and it is too uncontrolled to afford good masking.
>
> If you could control what you saw with a more meaningful value than
> who you watch, it could be of real value, but by using that paradigm,
> it forces the user to be constantly screening garbage.
>
> Even a simple Bayesian filter and a thumbs-up thumbs-down system
> could create a valuable system. Where the meaningful is heard and the
> various garbage is squelched.
>
>
>
> Will
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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22 Oct 2008 - 8:44pm
jet
2008

Regnard Raquedan wrote:
> My issue with twitter is that discussions

I don't think I'd ever try having a "dicussion" over twitter.

IMHO, twitter was designed for @jennyholzer and the rest of us are just
tagging along for the ride.

--
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23 Oct 2008 - 1:04am
martinpolley
2007

RT @KathySierra
@Armano the 1 thing that has surprised me most about Twitter? The sum
really IS greater than the parts. (impossible to perceive w/o trying)
--
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Technical writer, interaction designer
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Twitter: martinpolley
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23 Oct 2008 - 3:34am
niklasw
2005

Isn't Twitter (currently) very much about following fellow _English
speaking_ tweeters?

In Sweden, and to my knowledge Europe (correct me if I'm wrong),
twitter hasn't taken of(on?) at all. For various reasons, but a big
one I guess being language. Having my 'local' friends following my
English tweets would just be silly having my Turkish or Dutch or
German or XXX friends look at texts like: "Jag åt en suverän
blodpudding i killarnas omklädninsgrum i morse", equally silly, i
promise you :)

Give me automatic direct translations of tweets. When I decide to
follow, I also choose what language I want to see it in. That could
actually ad a layer of humor.

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22 Oct 2008 - 4:15pm
jorge.marquezm
2008

Wonderful discussion here!

I want to follow all of you guys on... mine is @jorgemarquez I use to write
in spanish and english depending on the comment.

I became fan of Twitter since I discovered the great networking potential
behind this tool.

Here a list for what I'm using Twitter:

1.- Networking
2.- Searching for new trends (try http://search.twitter.com/)
3.- Knowing instant thought, I mean to discover what people are talking
about... A few months ago the first news I got from the tragical plane crash
on Madrid airport was from a twitt, twitter journalism was more effective
than regular media.
4.- To understand the community and to "listen" (Try http://tweetscan.com or
http://twitrratr.com/)

Here my two cents: Twitter could be as useful as you want or useless as you
want, it depends on deep you want to dig into the tool.

I think that followings and followers will increase today for sure!

--
Échale un vistazo a mi blog www.usandolo.com

22 Oct 2008 - 3:16pm
krushford
2008

I think twitter leverages many of the "killer" aspects of blogging
tweets have a ubiquitous rather than a localized feel as I follow the
micro-blog updates of career heroes as well as my coworkers and
friends. maybe u have to be a birder to appreciate it!

peep,
lo

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Tahsin Shamma <tshamma at ipswitch.com> wrote:
> I agree that Twitter has little real value besides replicating in web form
> what people have already done over IM.
>
> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this. What's the
> killer app here that's new?
>
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22 Oct 2008 - 3:40pm
Dave Fleming
2008

I have also had a lot of fun on Twitter, as well as sharing relevant
UX / IA / IxD and Web Strategy Info, and learning from all the
incredibly talented folks that share on Twitter. You have to learn
how to be more selective in what you are looking for, or you will
have to slog through mundane entries, vs. something more relevant to
your field or agenda.

Uses :
Marketing, forums, self-promotion, politics- hard to name a media
form that is not connected somehow. It is now becoming more popular
on live CNN forums and is catching on quickly wherever people are
looking for accessible, real-time commenting.

This guy - http://twitter.com/jowyang , is a brilliant web strategist
from Forrester who has also has a great blog at:
http://web-strategist.com/blog/ - definitely bleeding edge news,
insights and research.

If you are going to jump into the Twitter banter, be sure to check
out the www.tinyurl.com site, enabling you to share URL's within
that context.

Twitter - @xshapes
blog- http://uxpractitioner.blogspot.com/
site - www.xshapes.com

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23 Oct 2008 - 5:38am
SemanticWill
2007

"there's a wall around us
we are heady, we are groundless
& we burn our friends & kill their names
build insecure & petty fames
& tattoo things that we believe
skulls & bones & hearts in half-sleeves"

That stanza came to mind, especially the line about insecure and petty fames
- which was more an indictment of live journal and blogs circa 2002 - but
things have changed since then, even with Julia Allison and her personality
cult all sound and fury signifying nothing. Twitter isn't about
instantiating new abstractions of self - splintered personalities that bear
little if any resemblance to the originating consciousness. I had argued
elsewhere that the phenomenon of multiple personalities, along with Pierre
Klossowski's notion of demonic position, gives us a better paradigma for a
concept of pre-Simulationist subjectivity than anything we can get from
psychoanalysis. You cannot be one without being at least two. We are all at
least potentially multiple, even if most of us do not suffer from the
oppressive consciousness of being so. This was made easier with social media
sites, where I could manufacture a persona and within reason, keep it
relatively coherent and separate from my meat-space self. This shattering,
though, meant a form of schizophrenia which, long term, is very difficult to
maintain. Twitter changes that because authentic personality naturally seems
to accrete onto the screen into the 'verse and over time a real pattern
emerges - one much closer to one's true self. This is both kewl and a bit
scary - especially for someone who values their privacy and anonimity, but I
digress...

Back to *Twitter and Trust and Tribes* - from Seth Godin's new book,
"Tribes"

"most people who use twitter don't get it. It seems invasive or time
consuming or even dumb...the converts, though, understand the true power of
twitter...
....Over time, twit by twit, Laura has built trust, which has led to a
successful career as a consultant and a worldwide speaking practice. She's
met fascinating people and changed the way her tribes sees the world. She
now has true fans, people who seek her out and talk about her."
"Laura couldn't have done this with one speech or one blog post...but by
consistently touching a tribe of people with generosity and insight, she's
earned the right to lead."
"Personally, I can't imagine the technology mattering much. Blogs and
twitter and all manner of other tools will come and go, possibly by the time
you read this. The tactics are irrelevant, and the technology will always be
changing. The essential lesson is that every day it gets easier to tighten
the relationship you have with the people who choose to follow you."

And that, my friends, is a pretty descent argument re:twitter.

--
~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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will at semanticfoundry.com
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23 Oct 2008 - 6:34am
Dave Malouf
2005

Niklas,
I hear this argument a lot about many social networks that are
started in the US or UK, but I've noticed a trend.

Brazilians & Portuguese just don't give a sh*t. ;-)
Nor do Israelis, Japanese and many other non-Europeans and well
Europeans. ;-)

Open up Twittervision and not only will you see different languages
spoken, but different character sets (Twitter is UTC or Unicode
compatible, I forget which).

I started out w/ the Brazilians and Portuguese b/c out of all of my
followers I notice more tweets in Portuguese than other foreign
language, followed by Spanish, Hebrew and Dutch.

Do I ignore those tweets. SURE do!!!! though sometimes they are good
practice. ;) ... but when I want to engage those people I do and they
do with me and yes that engagement is in English.

Further, the point of the thread is not about Twitter itself, but
about micro-blogging & ambient intimacy. Take Identi.ca (the OSS
version of Twitter) and well just make a Swedish version).
Micro-blogging in its many forms (Tumblr, plurk, jaiku, etc.) seem to
have English roots but global responses.

BTW, to my point, about 20% of the people I follow are non-USers. Ok,
a big bulk of those are Canadian. ;-)

-- dave

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23 Oct 2008 - 8:33am
Andy Polaine
2008

>> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this.
>
> Not everything is designed to meet a "need".

I just had a conversation like this with some engineering students
whom I am teaching interactive media. My response was "what's the
point of text messaging when you can just call someone?". I think he
got it after that.

By the way, interesting to note that this Twitter discussion is pretty
tweety (tweetie?) in its nature.

p.s. @apolaine

Best,

Andy

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23 Oct 2008 - 8:44am
Mario Bourque
2008

Text messaging is task-based and less intrusive. You text me, I'll text you
back when I can. Not as cumbersome as email, not as annoying as answering
the phone.

I wouldn't text someone in an emergency though.

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On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Andy Polaine <andy at polaine.com> wrote:

> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this.
>>>
>>
>> Not everything is designed to meet a "need".
>>
>
> I just had a conversation like this with some engineering students whom I
> am teaching interactive media. My response was "what's the point of text
> messaging when you can just call someone?". I think he got it after that.
>
> By the way, interesting to note that this Twitter discussion is pretty
> tweety (tweetie?) in its nature.
>
> p.s. @apolaine
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
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23 Oct 2008 - 8:45am
Mark Schraad
2006

Not to get too philosophical, but I have been thinking a lot about
'needs' lately. I never really 'needed' a mobile phone or an ipod, but
once I had them I realized great utility and benefit from both.
Also... the need in this case is only partially a product or
technology thing, but weighted more towards the 'who' and 'how common'
of the community it has grown. It is a little different than when I am
trying to do something specific and the right tool isn't available.

Sometimes the tool, and its diffusion create the need.

Mark

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Andy Polaine <andy at polaine.com> wrote:
>>> I am also very skeptical of the need for something like this.
>>
>> Not everything is designed to meet a "need".
>
> I just had a conversation like this with some engineering students whom I am
> teaching interactive media. My response was "what's the point of text
> messaging when you can just call someone?". I think he got it after that.
>
> By the way, interesting to note that this Twitter discussion is pretty
> tweety (tweetie?) in its nature.
>
> p.s. @apolaine
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> Andy Polaine
>
> Research | Writing | Strategy
> Interaction Concept Design
> Education Futures
>
> Twitter: apolaine
> Skype: apolaine
>
> http://playpen.polaine.com
> http://www.designersreviewofbooks.com
> http://www.omnium.net.au
> http://www.antirom.com
>
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23 Oct 2008 - 8:58am
Andy Polaine
2008

Just in case it sounded like I couldn't see the point of text
messaging, I meant that question as a rhetorical one, or at least one
to get him thinking about needs/function/purpose and design. Plenty of
people never thought computers would be useful. Or a phone with a
touchscreen instead of a keypad. The list is long...

On 23 Oct 2008, at 15:44, Mario Bourque wrote:

> Text messaging is task-based and less intrusive. You text me, I'll
> text you back when I can. Not as cumbersome as email, not as
> annoying as answering the phone.
>
> I wouldn't text someone in an emergency though.

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