Flash Catalyst

17 Nov 2008 - 2:02pm
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david.shaw6@gma...
2004

Has anyone used this yet?
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcatalyst/

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17 Nov 2008 - 2:37pm
Dave Malouf
2005

I am on the early preview list, but am Mac-less and thus can't look
at it yet.

No offense to our fine Fireworks/Adobe reps on this list, but What
were you thinking. Every Mac out there (in the last 3 years) is
capable of running Windows ... No one on a Windows box can run MacOS.
REALLY stupid move Adobe. Oh well, I was hoping to have a significant
preview up and running so I can make it a requirement for my
student's studio class this coming quarter. OH WELL! Back to Blend I
go. ;-)

-- dave

ps. please don't tell me to go out and buy a Mac. 1) I know! 2) it
ain't always my choice.

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17 Nov 2008 - 3:34pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

Is this the official name for Thermo, or is this a different product
in the same vein? It looks very similar to the Thermo demo.

On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, David Malouf wrote:

> No offense to our fine Fireworks/Adobe reps on this list, but What
> were you thinking. Every Mac out there (in the last 3 years) is
> capable of running Windows ...

Yeah, I wish I was working on one of them. G5s still perform well
enough that I can't make the case for purchasing a new Mac quite yet.

> No one on a Windows box can run MacOS.
> REALLY stupid move Adobe.

They would hear the same complaint in the other direction. Just
because you CAN run Windows on your Mac doesn't mean you WANT to.

Best,
Jack

Jack L. Moffett
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17 Nov 2008 - 3:40pm
mtumi
2004

it's thermo.

I'm guessing that they either did mac intel first to annoy MS (less
likely), or because something about the underlying foundation
(eclipse) was easier to tweak on os x than it was on windows.

you might have MS to blame for undermining Java on their OS...
regardless a Windows version will follow.

MT

On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Jack Moffett wrote:

> Is this the official name for Thermo, or is this a different product
> in the same vein? It looks very similar to the Thermo demo.
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, David Malouf wrote:
>
>> No offense to our fine Fireworks/Adobe reps on this list, but What
>> were you thinking. Every Mac out there (in the last 3 years) is
>> capable of running Windows ...
>
> Yeah, I wish I was working on one of them. G5s still perform well
> enough that I can't make the case for purchasing a new Mac quite yet.
>
>
>> No one on a Windows box can run MacOS.
>> REALLY stupid move Adobe.
>
> They would hear the same complaint in the other direction. Just
> because you CAN run Windows on your Mac doesn't mean you WANT to.
>
>
> Best,
> Jack
>

17 Nov 2008 - 3:45pm
Matt Nish-Lapidus
2007

the demo on the labs site looks interesting.. but i wonder how
valuable it will be as a pure prototyping tool if the rest of the work
flow isn't flash/flex... if you want to prototype a native mac or
windows app, or a web app that's not flex, will this still be a good
tool?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Jack Moffett <jackmoffett at mac.com> wrote:
> Is this the official name for Thermo, or is this a different product in the
> same vein? It looks very similar to the Thermo demo.
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:37 AM, David Malouf wrote:
>
>> No offense to our fine Fireworks/Adobe reps on this list, but What
>> were you thinking. Every Mac out there (in the last 3 years) is
>> capable of running Windows ...
>
> Yeah, I wish I was working on one of them. G5s still perform well enough
> that I can't make the case for purchasing a new Mac quite yet.
>
>
>> No one on a Windows box can run MacOS.
>> REALLY stupid move Adobe.
>
> They would hear the same complaint in the other direction. Just because you
> CAN run Windows on your Mac doesn't mean you WANT to.
>
>
> Best,
> Jack
>
>
>
> Jack L. Moffett
> Interaction Designer
> inmedius
> 412.459.0310 x219
> http://www.inmedius.com
>
>
> Charles Eames was asked the question,
> "What are the boundaries of design?"
>
> He answered,
>
> "What are the boundaries of problems?"
>
> - Charles Eames
>
>
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17 Nov 2008 - 3:58pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus wrote:

> the demo on the labs site looks interesting.. but i wonder how
> valuable it will be as a pure prototyping tool if the rest of the work
> flow isn't flash/flex... if you want to prototype a native mac or
> windows app, or a web app that's not flex, will this still be a good
> tool?

Yes! I currently have a graphics library of Windows UI components
(from various versions) that I use to construct screens in Photoshop.
I have another graphics library of components for my company's web
apps. Then there are the ones for the solutions I've done under
contract. That makes it relatively quick to mock up a screen. However,
if I want to make an interactive mockup, I then have to cut my screens
up into pieces and import them into Director, reassemble them, and add
the scripting.

Now, I'll be able to go straight into Thermo... I mean Flash Catalyst,
and start adding the interactivity directly. This will be a huge time
savings for me. I actually rarely do interactive prototypes because I
don't have the time. I'm hoping that this product will allow me to
work them into my schedule again.

If you haven't seen it, and it's still available, check out the Thermo
demo, as it showed more than the video linked to in this thread.

Best,
Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

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than a machine that won't do what you want,
it's a machine that won't do what you want
and has been programmed to behave
as though it likes you.

- Don Norman

17 Nov 2008 - 4:09pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

Here's the link to the Thermo demo I referred to.
http://www.adobe.com/newsletters/edge/december2007/video/?trackingid=BOYND

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18 Nov 2008 - 4:15pm
Ryan Stewart
2008

Sorry it took me a day to chime in. We didn't try to slight the Windows folks at all, we just wanted to give people something to play with at MAX and the Mac build was further along than the Windows build. When we do a public beta, which should be early next year, we'll have both Mac and Windows.

If you're interested in being on the prerelease, feel free to drop me a note - ryan at adobe.com. I'd love to hear what you're hoping to do with Flash Catalyst.

=Ryan

On 11/17/08 3:37 AM, "David Malouf" <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

I am on the early preview list, but am Mac-less and thus can't look
at it yet.

No offense to our fine Fireworks/Adobe reps on this list, but What
were you thinking. Every Mac out there (in the last 3 years) is
capable of running Windows ... No one on a Windows box can run MacOS.
REALLY stupid move Adobe. Oh well, I was hoping to have a significant
preview up and running so I can make it a requirement for my
student's studio class this coming quarter. OH WELL! Back to Blend I
go. ;-)

-- dave

ps. please don't tell me to go out and buy a Mac. 1) I know! 2) it
ain't always my choice.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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21 Nov 2008 - 2:33pm
Gabor Vida
2008

I just picked up a copy while I was at Adobe MAX.

Fantastic program so far, but definitely an alpha.

The big surprise for me is that Catalyst is actually a very powerful
wireframing tool. I could see it replacing Omnigraffle for me.

I attended a session that discussed using Catalyst for wireframing
and it's amazing how easy it is to create an interactive wireframe
and deploy it as a swf for user testing and client validation.

You can then take the Catalyst file and give it the dev team and they
then import it into Flex Builder as a project and can start building
the business logic right away.

The entire work flow is round-trip in that I can make changes to a
wireframe and give those changes to the dev team and have them update
the working files to reflect the changes very easily.

Design is then a process of essentially skinning the wireframe, which
then again feeds into the dev team and eliminates a lot of tedious
work by developers implementing a design.

The feature set is limited, but you can create custom components for
it to add as much functionality as you'd like. The interaction is a
bit clunky and there are a few things clearly missing - most of which
the Adobe team is aware of and is working on.

Our shop does 90% of our work in Flex, so for us this could
potentially be a game changer.

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25 Nov 2008 - 3:26pm
david.shaw6@gma...
2004

Wow... sounds like a pretty powerful tool. Now if only the windows beta
were available. Then I could see where this would fit in with our design
and development process. I love the roundtrip capability, but unfortunately
I happen to be stuck in a .NET shop. :(

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Gabor Vida <gabor at teknision.com> wrote:

> I just picked up a copy while I was at Adobe MAX.
>
> Fantastic program so far, but definitely an alpha.
>
> The big surprise for me is that Catalyst is actually a very powerful
> wireframing tool. I could see it replacing Omnigraffle for me.
>
> I attended a session that discussed using Catalyst for wireframing
> and it's amazing how easy it is to create an interactive wireframe
> and deploy it as a swf for user testing and client validation.
>
> You can then take the Catalyst file and give it the dev team and they
> then import it into Flex Builder as a project and can start building
> the business logic right away.
>
> The entire work flow is round-trip in that I can make changes to a
> wireframe and give those changes to the dev team and have them update
> the working files to reflect the changes very easily.
>
> Design is then a process of essentially skinning the wireframe, which
> then again feeds into the dev team and eliminates a lot of tedious
> work by developers implementing a design.
>
> The feature set is limited, but you can create custom components for
> it to add as much functionality as you'd like. The interaction is a
> bit clunky and there are a few things clearly missing - most of which
> the Adobe team is aware of and is working on.
>
> Our shop does 90% of our work in Flex, so for us this could
> potentially be a game changer.
>
>
>
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>
>
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27 Nov 2008 - 3:06am
Gregor Kiddie
2008

We've been playing with it a fair bit since we got hold of it at Max,
and the only issues we've had so far is not knowing which trick is
required in illustrator in order to get the right output in Catalyst.
Purely just the lack of a tutorial / training material.

Initial reactions however are mixed (I know this is very very
pre-release!), and we couldn't honestly make a judgement until the full
application comes out.

I'm still really interested to see how modal dialogs are going to be
represented.

Gk.

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Sent: 18 November 2008 21:16
To: David Malouf; discuss at ixda.org
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Flash Catalyst

Sorry it took me a day to chime in. We didn't try to slight the Windows
folks at all, we just wanted to give people something to play with at
MAX and the Mac build was further along than the Windows build. When we
do a public beta, which should be early next year, we'll have both Mac
and Windows.

If you're interested in being on the prerelease, feel free to drop me a
note - ryan at adobe.com. I'd love to hear what you're hoping to do with
Flash Catalyst.

=Ryan

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