A business case for switching Mac

18 Feb 2009 - 5:25am
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Nik
2009

Hi all,

Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

I have been asked to write a business case for switching. Does anyone
have an suggestions or experience of writing such a case?

Thanks,
Nik

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18 Feb 2009 - 6:26am
Chauncey Wilson
2007

As an aside, it would be interesting to have Mac devotees list the negative
aspects of the Mac or a person who uses both the PC and Mac highlight the
differences. I use both a Mac and PC, everyday, and find the single menu on
the Mac antiquated (it fits the philosopy of the original Mac and has not
really evolved). The Mac "toolbar" with all the apps can get really
cluttered if you are a software junkie - the icons are nice, but it is hard
to pick them out. I like the dialogs in Windows that allow you to resize
from more than one corner.

The Mac seems to connect to networks more easily than my Windows PC where I
often have to do some tweaking. Some of the apps are more elegant like the
one that creates separate workspaces (but that isn't new, Xerox used the
same ideas in its Room tool on Windows 3.1). I admit to liking some of the
small animation touches on the Mac.

Has there been a shoot-out lately using the same tool and two people trained
to equal levels? There is a technique called a User Interface Race
suggested by Ben Shneiderman in the early Brenda Laurel anthology from the
late 1980s that might be fun.

Chauncey

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Nik Lazell
<nik.lazell at realadventure.co.uk>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.
>
> I have been asked to write a business case for switching. Does anyone
> have an suggestions or experience of writing such a case?
>
> Thanks,
> Nik
>
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18 Feb 2009 - 6:43am
usabilitycounts
2008

Somewhere, somehow, you have to highlight the efficiencies of
Omnigraffle over Visio, and show that it costs the company money. If
you're working for a consultancy, that's going to make it even
harder because usually they bill that back to the client.

I recently worked for a company that was totally committed to the PC
world, and the ENTIRE UX team were Macheads.

Personally, I live in both worlds, and I don't see as much of a
difference between Visio and Omnigraffle, and actually have work for
clients stored in both formats (I run Parallels). I prefer to do work
on the Mac, but it's not as much as a dealbreaker for me to work in
Visio.

As people experienced in software usability, and we should have to
experience multiple platforms and be agnostic. But that's just my
opinion.

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18 Feb 2009 - 7:03am
Dan Brown
2004

Nik,
A couple thoughts:

How much do you have to share files with other members of your team? Do your
developers read the Visio files or can they work from PDFs?

If collaboration is important, the latest version of Graffle does open Visio
files nicely.

For the documentation consulting side of our business, we usually recommend
the Adobe suite. The learning curve is steeper, but you'll get more power in
the long-run. Using CS4 to create reusable wireframing and design
components, our company has saved our clients thousands of dollars just by
being more efficient in producing deliverables.

And CS4 is cross-platform.

The tougher business case may not be the application you use for your
artifacts, but instead for supporting the Mac and hooking it up to the
existing infrastructure. (I don't need replies telling me this is easy. I
know it's easy. I'm just saying it may be a tougher case to make to the
Powers That Be.)

-- Dan

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Nik Lazell
<nik.lazell at realadventure.co.uk>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.
>
> I have been asked to write a business case for switching. Does anyone
> have an suggestions or experience of writing such a case?
>
> Thanks,
> Nik
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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18 Feb 2009 - 6:02am
Alex Horstmann
2009

Hi Nik,

I am a huge Mac fan and Mac laptops are a great machines to use -
especially for guerrilla testing using Silverback, giving
presentations using Keynote and general day to day work.

However, I feel that Visio is a far more powerful tool for producing
UX deliverables. I love Omnigraffle, but I feel that Visio has a
broader set of features and stencils for IA/UX deliverables.

Cheers!

Alex

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18 Feb 2009 - 7:28am
Nik
2009

Dan,

Thanks for your reply. The creative team all use macs hooked up to the
network so incorporating it into our infrastructure isn't a problem.

Only the UX team will use the Visio/Omnigraffle files, so whilst
compatibility is important it's only really us opening previous
revisions of wireframes.

I also love being able to create clickable PDF's as quickly as
Omnigraffle allows. Wireframes are often shown to the client and
providing them with a PDF and a suggested journey very often perfectly
illustrates the concept we're trying to get across.

The other reason for going mac based is productivity; I've been using
the Polypage jQuery plugin (http://code.new-bamboo.co.uk/polypage/) to
create interactive wireframes that sometimes then continue as a
foundation for the actual build templates (ex-developer!). I'd like to
build these in TextMate (mac) as it's far quicker with textMate
'bundles'.

I'd also like us to start using Silverback for quick user-testing
sessions rather than setting up Morae. Whilst not as comprehensive as
Morae it will allow us to quickly and simply get people in, run the
session, then export and evaluate the results.

Thanks,

Nik

From: Dan Brown [mailto:brownorama at gmail.com]
Sent: 18 February 2009 12:03
To: Nik Lazell
Cc: IXDA list
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

Nik,
A couple thoughts:

How much do you have to share files with other members of your team? Do
your developers read the Visio files or can they work from PDFs?

If collaboration is important, the latest version of Graffle does open
Visio files nicely.

For the documentation consulting side of our business, we usually
recommend the Adobe suite. The learning curve is steeper, but you'll get
more power in the long-run. Using CS4 to create reusable wireframing and
design components, our company has saved our clients thousands of
dollars just by being more efficient in producing deliverables.

And CS4 is cross-platform.

The tougher business case may not be the application you use for your
artifacts, but instead for supporting the Mac and hooking it up to the
existing infrastructure. (I don't need replies telling me this is easy.
I know it's easy. I'm just saying it may be a tougher case to make to
the Powers That Be.)

-- Dan

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18 Feb 2009 - 10:00am
Andrei Herasimchuk
2004

On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Nik Lazell wrote:

> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

There is no reason to switch to a Mac if your only goal is to use
Omnigraffle. That's like asking your spouse that you' prefer to drive
an M5 over a Toyota Corolla because you like where the way cup holders
are positioned in the Beemer.

The biggest reason to switch to a Mac for your design team is mostly
because the development environment for web things is slightly easier
to configure and setup over Windows for prototyping and build
environments, and these days, even that's become less of an issue.

Macs have become great for small businesses in that a lot of the apps
you need (calendar, mail, browsers) come with the OS or can be bought
and setup to work collaboratively on the cheap, while you also still
have access to great production tools like Adobe CS. The machines are
slightly more expensive, but are better integrated with their hardware
and work together in small environments. If, however, you work in a
large corporation where IT is still king and they prefer Windows, then
there's no real cost difference you're going to be able to lay out
there that makes your case.

--
Andrei Herasimchuk

Chief Design Officer, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world

e. andrei at involutionstudios.com
c. +1 408 306 6422

18 Feb 2009 - 10:16am
Nik
2009

Hi Jennifer,

Thanks very much that kind of structure is fantastically helpful!

-Nik

From: jennifer.r.vignone at jpmorgan.com
[mailto:jennifer.r.vignone at jpmorgan.com]
Sent: 18 February 2009 15:08
To: Nik Lazell
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

Hi Nik:

I would make sure to at least cover the following:

1. Any cost-effectiveness that would come from:

* lessen the learning curve if the people who work there and are
likely to be hired in the future would be Mac users more than PC users
(my background was all Mac for year before I learned the PC)
* Ability to work and network from home made easier if the home
machine is a Mac and the work machine is a Mac
* lessen the cost of software if you currently need to purchase
something for each platform.

* What does Omnigraffle provide that Visio does not?

* If it had a cross-application ability (can open or edit
in Visio, that seems to be a huge plus).
* does it have reporting features or other valuable
features that facilitate communicating with the business?

* Which is more prevalent in the industry? Stats on this
can be compelling.

* Is there a preferences among the "great minds'
currently on the list for discussion?

* Which one makes it possible for you to work
faster?

* Why?

Always play devil's advocate with yourself.

Jennifer
Jennifer Vignone
User Experience Design
CIO Technology
245 Park Avenue, 10th Floor
New York, NY 10167
212-648-0827
jennifer.r.vignone at jpmorgan.com

Hi all,

Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

I have been asked to write a business case for switching. Does anyone
have an suggestions or experience of writing such a case?

Thanks,
Nik

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18 Feb 2009 - 9:49am
suewah
2008

First of all I have no love for Microsoft. I once relied heavily on
Visio but I find Graffle satisfies 95% of what I need to do. I also
have an understanding that MS is the necessary bitter pill that comes
with this business. So putting that aside...

When we started up our business a couple of years ago we had that
same conversation about where to invest our dollars figuring we were
on a strict budget.

We had to look at what apps we were going to use daily, and costs
pertaining to hardware, networking, upgrades and ongoing support.

We saw that the MAC with parallels gave us the best of both worlds
(MAC OS & XP) without additional hardware investment of buying PCs
and MacBooks.

In regards to apps and functionality there's very little difference
between the two (putting the usability debate of the OS aside).

I find the performance on the MAC (running Parallels) much more
efficient than the PCs we tested. Running the dual platform gave us
the ability to cross-browser/platform test our projects without
additional machines.

I also found that technical support for the MAC so much better than
most of my experiences with PCs.

And the learnability of the MAC was also very easy when compared to
that of Vista.

I've also found most of my contractors also using MACs. And rarely
do I give documentation source files to my clients (I usually PDF
everything). So compatibility isn't an issue.

So we have now 7 MACS with XP and one token PC running VIsta (for dev
testing purposes only). Right now we are looking at putting together
our own MAC OS server to run our email etc internally. So far we've
been fine.

Charles
Looking towards a 100% Microsoft free world.

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18 Feb 2009 - 12:41pm
Alex ONeal
2008

Our creative team likewise live in a Mac world, in a company dominated by
PCs. The IAs have VMware to switch back & forth and use Visio. Comparing
VMware to Parallels, one of our top IAs reports preferring Parallels because
it feels more like you're running a Windows app in an OS X environment, so
the switch is less jarring.

Personally, I move back and forth between separate Windows & Mac
environments, and prefer Mac for most things, but I don't think an either-or
world is necessary. And a few years ago when I did network administration
in a Mac + Windows + Unix environment, I did find Macs much easier to
network and support than Windows.

bests,
Alex O'Neal
UX manager

--
The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The next best time is
now.

Patrick wrote:

>
>
> I recently worked for a company that was totally committed to the PC
> world, and the ENTIRE UX team were Macheads.
>
> Personally, I live in both worlds, and I don't see as much of a
> difference between Visio and Omnigraffle, and actually have work for
> clients stored in both formats (I run Parallels). I prefer to do work
> on the Mac, but it's not as much as a dealbreaker for me to work in
> Visio.
>

19 Feb 2009 - 8:59am
john morse
2008

>> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
>> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

Simple question, Why?

John Morse
Information Architect
Professional Services Group
UPA,Prince 2, ISEB IT Architect, AIIM, MBCS

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Sent: 18 February 2009 10:25
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Subject: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

Hi all,

Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

I have been asked to write a business case for switching. Does anyone
have an suggestions or experience of writing such a case?

Thanks,
Nik

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19 Feb 2009 - 9:26am
Nik
2009

Hi John,

My main reason would be that I find Macs far easier to use and Omnigraffle has some fantastic stencils available thanks to communities such as Graffletopia and Konigi (http://konigi.com/tools/omnigraffle-wireframe-stencils)

I guess I also find it pretty complicated to do simple tasks in Visio, such as duplicate a page, paste-in-place (both of which seemed to required delving into the Visual basic Editor, and then running Macros).

There may well be simpler ways of doing the tasks mentioned above, so obviously welcome any suggestions.

Added to this, the simplicity of creating clickable PDF's in Omnigraffle has meant I prefer to work in a mac environment these days.

Thanks,
Nik

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From: John M. Morse [mailto:john.morse at eduserv.org.uk]
Sent: 19 February 2009 14:00
To: Nik Lazell; IXDA list
Subject: RE: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

>> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
>> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

Simple question, Why?

John Morse
Information Architect
Professional Services Group
UPA,Prince 2, ISEB IT Architect, AIIM, MBCS

Eduserv
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Sent: 18 February 2009 10:25
To: IXDA list
Subject: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

Hi all,

Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.

I have been asked to write a business case for switching. Does anyone
have an suggestions or experience of writing such a case?

Thanks,
Nik

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19 Feb 2009 - 11:43am
Alex Horstmann
2009

I was very pleased to see that Konigi are working on a sketchy stencil
- it was one of the reasons why I prefer Visio, I'll certainly be
looking at Omnigraffle again once this is out.

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19 Feb 2009 - 11:55am
Amy Silvers
2007

There's already a "sketchy" stencil for Omnigraffle.

http://www.graffletopia.com/stencils/414

I've also followed Michael Angeles's tips for making your own, and I'm
pleased with the results so far.

2009/2/19 Alex Horstmann <a.horstmann at gmail.com>:
> I was very pleased to see that Konigi are working on a sketchy stencil
> - it was one of the reasons why I prefer Visio, I'll certainly be
> looking at Omnigraffle again once this is out.
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>
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19 Feb 2009 - 12:02pm
Alex Horstmann
2009

Hi Amy,

Thanks! I did look at that, but I just didn't click with it. Sorry that
that's not an objective reason - perhaps it's a little *too* sketchy!

The exporting to a clickable PDF is a really big factor for Omnigraffles
though.

Cheers!

Alex

2009/2/19 Amy Silvers <ahacksaw at gmail.com>

> There's already a "sketchy" stencil for Omnigraffle.
>
> http://www.graffletopia.com/stencils/414
>
> I've also followed Michael Angeles's tips for making your own, and I'm
> pleased with the results so far.
>
> 2009/2/19 Alex Horstmann <a.horstmann at gmail.com>:
> > I was very pleased to see that Konigi are working on a sketchy stencil
> > - it was one of the reasons why I prefer Visio, I'll certainly be
> > looking at Omnigraffle again once this is out.
> >
> >
> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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19 Feb 2009 - 12:08pm
Amy Silvers
2007

Yeah, I can see how the sketchy stencil from Graffletopia wouldn't be
for everybody. I've used it when I needed something quick and didn't
have time to create my own, but it is a little limited.

Having used both Visio and OmniGraffle extensively, I can't say that
OG is exponentially better than Visio--Visio is a decent tool that
does quite a lot. It's just that OmniGraffle does everything more
elegantly (and has a lower learning curve than Visio). With the
availability of virtualization tools (I prefer VMWare Fusion by many
miles over Parallels), I don't see any reason not to have a Mac, and
just run Windows apps, including Visio, when needed.

2009/2/19 Alex Horstmann <a.horstmann at gmail.com>:
> Hi Amy,
>
> Thanks! I did look at that, but I just didn't click with it. Sorry that
> that's not an objective reason - perhaps it's a little *too* sketchy!
>
> The exporting to a clickable PDF is a really big factor for Omnigraffles
> though.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alex
>
>
> 2009/2/19 Amy Silvers <ahacksaw at gmail.com>
>>
>> There's already a "sketchy" stencil for Omnigraffle.
>>
>> http://www.graffletopia.com/stencils/414
>>
>> I've also followed Michael Angeles's tips for making your own, and I'm
>> pleased with the results so far.
>>
>> 2009/2/19 Alex Horstmann <a.horstmann at gmail.com>:
>> > I was very pleased to see that Konigi are working on a sketchy stencil
>> > - it was one of the reasons why I prefer Visio, I'll certainly be
>> > looking at Omnigraffle again once this is out.
>> >
>> >
>> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> > Posted from the new ixda.org
>> > http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=38871
>> >
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19 Feb 2009 - 12:19pm
Vishal Subraman...
2005

I was an existing PC user & I switched to a Mac (had an option to choose
either) primarily for Omnigraffle. Also, I find Adobe CS a lot faster on a
Mac. Though I'm not entirely sure about this- I think that a PC with
comparable performance for tools that most UX designers use is going to run
almost as expensive as a MAC.

I'm saying this because even the standard PC desktop I had does not compare
with my Macbook Pro (the PC laptop was almost unworkable). I use the Macbook
as my primary machine and I find the portability very convenient (also have
Parallels in the unlikely scenario that I need a PC).

Finally, isn't Mac s/w especially iWork a lot cheaper (did I miss better?)
than the Windows counterpart.

--
-Vishal
http://www.vishaliyer.com

>
> >> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
> >> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.
>
> Simple question, Why?
>

19 Feb 2009 - 2:10pm
Mark Schraad
2006

if it comes from Apple, software is relatively inexpensive the first time
around, but when a new version comes out, you just buy it again, rather than
upgrade. It is a slightly different pricing model that lowers the hurdle of
switching platforms (in either direction btw). But they are fairly
confident... attrition from Mac to PC is pretty minimal. Over the long haul,
if you upgrade, they get their money just like Microsoft does.
Mark

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was an existing PC user & I switched to a Mac (had an option to choose
> either) primarily for Omnigraffle. Also, I find Adobe CS a lot faster on a
> Mac. Though I'm not entirely sure about this- I think that a PC with
> comparable performance for tools that most UX designers use is going to run
> almost as expensive as a MAC.
>
> I'm saying this because even the standard PC desktop I had does not compare
> with my Macbook Pro (the PC laptop was almost unworkable). I use the
> Macbook
> as my primary machine and I find the portability very convenient (also have
> Parallels in the unlikely scenario that I need a PC).
>
> Finally, isn't Mac s/w especially iWork a lot cheaper (did I miss better?)
> than the Windows counterpart.
>
> --
> -Vishal
> http://www.vishaliyer.com
>
> >
> > >> Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move
> > >> back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again.
> >
> > Simple question, Why?
> >
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20 Feb 2009 - 8:28am
Todd Warfel
2003

On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Amy Silvers wrote:

> It's just that OmniGraffle does everything more elegantly

Like having real pages to navigate between pages rather than tabs?

Cheers!

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20 Feb 2009 - 8:31am
Todd Warfel
2003

On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:10 PM, mark schraad wrote:

> but when a new version comes out, you just buy it again, rather than
> upgrade.

MS Office upgrade was $129. iWork "upgrade" or repurchase for the new
model was $79. So, Apple just uses the same price for a new as an
upgrade. It's a simpler model—both cost the same amount. And yeah,
generally it's still cheaper.

Not to mention things like Pages and Keynote do everything we used to
use Word and PPT for w/o all the extra crap.

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design Researcher
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20 Feb 2009 - 9:00am
Todd Warfel
2003

Ain't that the truth. The CS suite is a significant amount of money in
whole, but when you look at it per product you receive, it's a great
value. Still not cheap, however. But agreed, totally worth it.

On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Will Evans wrote:

> Except for Adobe

Cheers!

Todd Zaki Warfel
President, Design Researcher
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21 Feb 2009 - 9:42am
.pauric
2006

Amy & Alex, I appreciate your feedback on
http://www.graffletopia.com/stencils/414 I do tend to agree with you
that its too sketchy for pdf usage. It was the product of a
discussion I had with a paper prototyping purist, my argument was
that its easier in the long term to create artifacts on a computer,
print out and then create clean & approachable mock-ups. Essentially
what Todd teaches I believe.

I'll tidy it up a smidgen over the next month and let you know when
I'm done. While I'm working on it, anyone else have a request?

As for the Mac & Omni in a PC environment discussion. While think
there's a slight productivity advantage with OS X, in the end its
not the tools that enable creativity or effectively communicate
ideas.

To the O/P if you really feel strongly, bring your own Mac to work
rather than have them make another computer just for an Omni install.

thanks /pauric

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22 Feb 2009 - 7:49pm
Michael Andrews
2008

I am not sure that "productivity" should be the litmus test of the
business case. Not only would hard it be hard to demonstrate
productivity, it wouldn't address core issues of quality.

The best reason to use a Mac is that MS Windows is dull and
uninspiring. Ditto for Visio. Maybe Microsoft will change in future
releases, but as of today, these interfaces are stone aged. How can
one hope to develop fresh and immediate feeling UIs when the planform
one uses is so out of date?

It is hard create good practices while working in an environment
where old or bad practices are common.

While there is plenty of room for OS X software to evolve, for the
moment, it is the best available to incorporate good practices.

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22 Feb 2009 - 7:58pm
Sharon Greenfield5
2008

For *you* it may be dull and uninspiring.

On Feb 22, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Michael Andrews wrote:

> I am not sure that "productivity" should be the litmus test of the
> business case. Not only would hard it be hard to demonstrate
> productivity, it wouldn't address core issues of quality.
>
> The best reason to use a Mac is that MS Windows is dull and
> uninspiring. Ditto for Visio. Maybe Microsoft will change in future
> releases, but as of today, these interfaces are stone aged. How can
> one hope to develop fresh and immediate feeling UIs when the planform
> one uses is so out of date?

22 Feb 2009 - 8:00pm
Scott McDaniel
2007

I think it can be understood that people aren't exactly describing
objective principles
of Truth.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:58 PM, live <human.factor.one at gmail.com> wrote:
> For *you* it may be dull and uninspiring.
>
> On Feb 22, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Michael Andrews wrote:
>
>> I am not sure that "productivity" should be the litmus test of the
>> business case. Not only would hard it be hard to demonstrate
>> productivity, it wouldn't address core issues of quality.
>>
>> The best reason to use a Mac is that MS Windows is dull and
>> uninspiring. Ditto for Visio. Maybe Microsoft will change in future
>> releases, but as of today, these interfaces are stone aged. How can
>> one hope to develop fresh and immediate feeling UIs when the planform
>> one uses is so out of date?
>

--
"I have mad skills at doing spazzy things." - Janiene West

23 Feb 2009 - 9:13am
.pauric
2006

Michael Andrews: "How can one hope to develop fresh and immediate
feeling UIs when the planform one uses is so out of date?"

I agree with you that OS X is the best consumer OS currently
available. I'm not sure I agree with the argument that the medium
in which something is expressed has such a strong bearing on the
results.

I would think that the 'fresh and immediate' aspects of a new
design are borne out in both the earlier stages of design as well as
feedback from design reviews/critiques??

Your prototyping toolchain of choice should be the space for
expression, not inspiration.

/pauric

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23 Feb 2009 - 11:35am
Rob Levin
2009

While on a contract recently, I learned how to use Omnigraffle. During
the entire time on my contract, I switched between Omingraffle and
Visio (running in Parallels) depending on which project I was working
on. I will say that using Visio in parallels was a pain. It was slow
and killed the performance of my system although it could just be that
I was using an older powermac laptop. Also, a lot of Visio keyboard
shortcuts didn't work in Parallels (zooming with the mouse scroll
wheel anyone?)

I really enjoyed using Omnigraffle and loved how easy it was to use
to create compelling artifacts. Here is a list of some things I
particularly found better in Omnigraffle than in Visio:

1. Selecting various page details is easier (you don't have to
encompass the whole thing with the selection box as in Visio).

2. Multiple layers and shared layers are much better (instead of
having a number of different Visio pages as backgrounds). Also,
being able to easily lock down a layer is great as well.

3. In documents with a lot of pages (canvases in OG), the navigation
between pages is a lot easier using the left hand Canvas list as
opposed to the Visio tabs (uggggghhh!)

4. The ever present workspace dialogs in OG makes editing page
elements a lot faster. It's much better than Visio's multi-tabbed
window dialogs and multi-level context menus.

5. Aligning elements is easier and the ability to specify a specific
sized space between elements is really cool. However, the Visio
shape distribution feature is awesome and I think that is something
missing in OG.

6. Creating sitemaps in OG is extremely easy thanks to the outlining
feature which allows you to type an outline which is simultaneously
created visually (with connection and everything). This saves a lot
of time when creating complicated sitemaps. However, the way OG
deals with configuring connection points and the manipulation of
connectors is a little weird and imprecise and I can be pretty anal
so this drives me crazy.

7. The ability in OG to create Clickable PDF prototypes is awesome
but I wished that it supported other actions than just linking to
another page (canvas). In one wireframe I was working on, I had some
show and hide layer actions specified to demonstrate modal windows and
the process of selecting a drop down menu item to create a list item
filter. However, I had to create multiple pages for these actions
instead so that my clickable prototype worked. This makes going
throught the PDF page by page a little more difficult because of all
the extra pages.

On the whole, I find OG easier and faster to use. It might not be as
full featured as Visio but do we need or even use all those
additional features in creating UX/IA artifacts? I doubt it.

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