Combined Conferences (was Its Just UX)

27 Mar 2009 - 5:00pm
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Dan Saffer
2003

On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:08 PM, J. Ambrose Little wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Richard Dalton <richard at mauvyrusset.com
> >wrote:
>
>> I personally would much prefer to go to a 5 day, 1500 person UX
>> conference
>> jointly sponsored
>> by ASIS, IAI and IxDA than 3, 500 person conferences.
>>

You can go to it: it's called UX Week, and Adaptive Path holds it
every year: http://www.uxweek.com/

But there are benefits to targeted conferences. Consider that
Interaction08 and 09 often had 3-4 tracks of *interaction design*
content going at a time. At a general conference, you're likely to get
one track. Out of necessity at a general conference, that track will
have to appeal to a wide audience (the 500 people who came for IxD
content), and you won't get some of the deeper (and frankly, more
niche) topics you'll get at a targeted conference that only have to
appeal to a 100 or so people in a single session.

Just to pick a random example from I09:
Sketching haptic and multimodal interaction, Camille Moussette
Design for Life by Identifying the Lifecycle of an Experience, German
Leon Osorio
Surviving a Design Review, Charles Kreitzberg
Tailored Interactions, Simon King

Same deal with the workshops. Same deal with the keynotes.

Dan

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27 Mar 2009 - 8:12pm
Christian Crumlish
2006

why does this community (writ large) have to constantly go through "it's a
salad dressing! / it's a floorwax!" dialectics?
big conferences good for some things
niche conferences good for other things

-x-

27 Mar 2009 - 10:15pm
Dave Malouf
2005

I was stating my opinion Christian.

Richard was trying to state that X is better than Y, the pretext of
which is that doing both is a waste of time. This was exemplified by
him saying I don't want to go to 3 smaller conferences. As if to
say, the choices are the problem.

If I would Richard, I would just do it. Create the conference that
you want. Examples of a unified vision of UX conference are already
there: UX Challenge, UX London and UX Australia are all happening
this year, no? Yes, hey are smaller than 1500 and none are in the US,
but they do fit the bill of a unified UX conference and all have their
positive and negative sides. The two more open conferences, really
look exciting actually.

But yes, I would stand in agreement with your call to do both and
that there is no conflict between doing both.

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27 Mar 2009 - 10:51pm
Christian Crumlish
2006

David, I meant in no way to single you out individually. I am commenting on
the general thesis, antithesis, synthesis cycle of so many of these
conversations. I am as much a part of it as anyone.
-x-

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:15 PM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> I was stating my opinion Christian.
>

27 Mar 2009 - 10:30pm
Richard Dalton
2008

Dave - i'm just wishing we could all work more closely together here,
wouldn't it be nirvana to have one organization (UX), with several
sub-groups (IA, IxD, etc) which ran both a large UX conference and
several smaller specialized ones?

Do we really need yet another org running a UX conference as well as
the 3 specialized ones? (IAI, IxDA, ASIS).

- Richard

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28 Mar 2009 - 7:37am
Dave Malouf
2005

I don't think the # of organizations matter.
Or at least (and this is not a shot) they don't matter if the
organizations themselves create open models of membership. If
"membership" is your issue, then please talk to the other
organizations where you feel at home and discuss with them that model
to make it more open.

If you had an umbrella with a bunch of sigs you'd just end up with
ACM where SIGGRAPH and SIGCHI never talk (for the most part).

And why in this year of years when we are so wound up about UX, that
there is not a single mention of DUX yet. (it happens every other
year on odd #'ed years, no?)

Organizations don't need an artificial umbrella to work together.
IAI and IxDA had matching sponsorships this year as an example of
that. Its like saying that OxFAM and the Red Cross need an umbrella
to decide to work together. Of course not. Just come up with the
proposal, sell it, and make it happen.

-- dave

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28 Mar 2009 - 7:42am
Scott McDaniel
2007

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Richard Dalton <richard at mauvyrusset.com> wrote:
> Dave - i'm just wishing we could all work more closely together here,
> wouldn't it be nirvana to have one organization (UX), with several
> sub-groups (IA, IxD, etc) which ran both a large UX conference and
> several smaller specialized ones?
>
> Do we really need yet another org running a UX conference as well as
> the 3 specialized ones? (IAI, IxDA, ASIS).
>
>  - Richard

Maybe?

While I'm pretty in favor of an umbrella concept, even if it means UX
will cover "us"
the way "engineer/programmer" covers Java, Perl, .NET, etc. primary folks.
(As when I've referred to myself as a designer, that term is
established to be understood
as "visual designer" at best...I was once asked what lines of clothing
was my favorite)

But on conferences, the only evidence given so far has been what sorts
of conferences
each individual prefers. That's cool, and I agree with what's been
said, and I can even
feel what you're saying here, yet we'd be talking about restructuring
some pretty
established organizations (if we're waving a Wacom magic association
changing wand
here, of course :)) - how do we believe this will happen?

Scott

--
"I have mad skills at doing spazzy things." - Janiene West

28 Mar 2009 - 9:30am
Richard Dalton
2008

Dave, since you've been fairly close to both orgs, could you give us
a comprehensive list of how they've worked together over the past
year or so?

Scott, if enough people want it (and who knows if they do? - the
point of the itsjustux.org idea is to gauge support). It would be up
to the leadership of the orgs involved to make it happen - that's
what leadership is there for no? To serve the interests of the
people.

- Richard

- Richard

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28 Mar 2009 - 2:48pm
Christopher Fahey
2005

> And why in this year of years when we are so wound up about UX, that
> there is not a single mention of DUX yet. (it happens every other
> year on odd #'ed years, no?)

I've yet to meet a person who didn't think DUX was one of the most
absurd conferences on the docket. To be a speaker at DUX, you must
submit a 16-page draft of your presentation. It's ludicrous.

-Cf

Christopher Fahey
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28 Mar 2009 - 3:01pm
Todd Warfel
2003

The first one was ground breaking. The second one was an absurd waste
of time. I haven't been back sense.

On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote:

> I've yet to meet a person who didn't think DUX was one of the most
> absurd conferences on the docket. To be a speaker at DUX, you must
> submit a 16-page draft of your presentation. It's ludicrous.

Cheers!

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28 Mar 2009 - 3:44pm
Christian Crumlish
2006

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Richard Dalton <richard at mauvyrusset.com>wrote:

> Dave, since you've been fairly close to both orgs, could you give us
> a comprehensive list of how they've worked together over the past
> year or so?
>

Richard, from my perspective, the IAI and IxDA have spent the last year
taking "baby steps" in an effort to establish productive, amicable
relations. Some of the personal animosities that drove wedges between the
orgs in the past have become bygones, and the current generation of
leadership at both orgs have taken various steps to form personal and
collaborative ties.

The most concrete result of this so far is the fact that the IxDA was a
sponsor of IDEA and the IAI was a sponsor of Interaction09. None of this
consider this to be the zenith of cooperation, but instead a valuable first
step. (I referred to it a while back as an example of "confidence-building
measures.")

We have also been comparing notes on a number of process-oriented things,
such as organizational infrastructure problems and solutions. Being slightly
younger, the IxDA is now beginning to encounter some of the issues that the
IAI has been grappling with for a couple of years, and we have been more
than happy to compare notes and pool learnings.

Representatives of both groups attended the UXnet meeting at the Summit and
I believe we are all interested in looking at ways that we can factor out
some of the infrastructural underpinnings of groups like ours and the
professional social networks they model and foster. There's no real good
reason for us each to independently solve our membership, communication, and
service-delivery problems in a vacuum without being able to profit from each
other's efforts.

(I was only partly joking when I suggested we put up a Github-type
repository and build the 21st century professional org user experience
together, perhaps benefiting the entire spectrum of orgs outside of our UX &
design universes, and simultaneously demonstrating the value of our
practices.)

-x-

28 Mar 2009 - 6:25pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Chirs, I'm in Todd's camp on the reviews of Past DUX conferences.

But to date, it is the closest thing to a multi-org conference in our space.
"fixing it" seems a fine approach, IMHO. Or it is just symbolic as to why
trying to do this by combining the orgs won't work and that doing it outside
of the orgs ala UX London/Australia might make the most sense.

-- dave

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Todd Zaki Warfel <lists at toddwarfel.com>wrote:

> The first one was ground breaking. The second one was an absurd waste of
> time. I haven't been back sense.
> On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote:
>
> I've yet to meet a person who didn't think DUX was one of the most absurd
> conferences on the docket. To be a speaker at DUX, you must submit a 16-page
> draft of your presentation. It's ludicrous.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
> Todd Zaki Warfel
> Principal Design Researcher
> Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.
> ----------------------------------
> *Contact Info*
> Voice: (215) 825-7423Email: todd at messagefirst.com
> AIM: twarfel at mac.com
> Blog: http://toddwarfel.com <http://toddwarfel/>
> Twitter: zakiwarfel
> ----------------------------------
> In theory, theory and practice are the same.
> In practice, they are not.
>
>
>
>
>

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28 Mar 2009 - 7:46pm
Mario Bourque
2008

I would also like to add to Christian's comments.

Christian is absolutely right! There are a lot of things going on right now
between the IAI and the IxDA that people aren't seeing, but they will have
very positive results in the future. Since many of the members of one are
also in the other, we find synergies that complement and make both
organizations stonger.

For example: Half the IDEA09 Conference team is on the Interaction10 team
and we will be working together to make both IDEA09 and Interaction10
amazing conferences. They are not the same type of conference, but they
complement each other VERY well. The IAI and IxDA have different mandates,
but are now finding balance. Does not mean they have to merge, and not
should they.

I do not believe one big organization with one big conference is the answer.
That is simply my opinion. If anything, I would like to see some of the
other orgs work together when it comes to putting on conferences. IDEA and
Interaction work quite well together. We also can't expect people to come to
a conference just because it's happening. I'm not going to go to the
IASummit just because It's the IASummit. I'm going to go if there is value.
Having multiple conferences also give us the opportunity to compete and
people usually benefit with increased competition because we're trying to
put on better events.

We have good leadership at the helm of both the IAI and IxDA, and with the
next generation of leaders coming soon, it looks even more promising.
Contrary to what some people may think, we're in a great place, there's lots
of excitement happening, and the future looks amazing!

Things like itsjustux.org don't really solve anything. Whatever you call
yourself, people outside our space are going to give you the Homer Simpson
blank stare.

We solve this problem by concentrating on our work and trying to build
better experiences and by educating those OUTSIDE our field as to the
benefits by promoting not only within our own companies, but others as well.
When people take notice, it takes off. Industries like music, advertising,
television, automotive, as soon as one makes a big splash, everybody jumps
in (boy bands, forensic dramas and SUVs folks).

I know why you're worried.

Listen to what the market wants and give it to them. That's what we have to
do.

... and why do we have to keep talking about "things that are broken". Let's
go out there and keep working at changing the world.

--
Mario Bourque
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Email: mario at mariobourque.com
Twitter: www.twitter.com/mariobourque

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Christian Crumlish <xian at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Richard Dalton <richard at mauvyrusset.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dave, since you've been fairly close to both orgs, could you give us
> > a comprehensive list of how they've worked together over the past
> > year or so?
> >
>
> Richard, from my perspective, the IAI and IxDA have spent the last year
> taking "baby steps" in an effort to establish productive, amicable
> relations. Some of the personal animosities that drove wedges between the
> orgs in the past have become bygones, and the current generation of
> leadership at both orgs have taken various steps to form personal and
> collaborative ties.
>
> The most concrete result of this so far is the fact that the IxDA was a
> sponsor of IDEA and the IAI was a sponsor of Interaction09. None of this
> consider this to be the zenith of cooperation, but instead a valuable first
> step. (I referred to it a while back as an example of "confidence-building
> measures.")
>
> We have also been comparing notes on a number of process-oriented things,
> such as organizational infrastructure problems and solutions. Being
> slightly
> younger, the IxDA is now beginning to encounter some of the issues that the
> IAI has been grappling with for a couple of years, and we have been more
> than happy to compare notes and pool learnings.
>
> Representatives of both groups attended the UXnet meeting at the Summit and
> I believe we are all interested in looking at ways that we can factor out
> some of the infrastructural underpinnings of groups like ours and the
> professional social networks they model and foster. There's no real good
> reason for us each to independently solve our membership, communication,
> and
> service-delivery problems in a vacuum without being able to profit from
> each
> other's efforts.
>
> (I was only partly joking when I suggested we put up a Github-type
> repository and build the 21st century professional org user experience
> together, perhaps benefiting the entire spectrum of orgs outside of our UX
> &
> design universes, and simultaneously demonstrating the value of our
> practices.)
>
> -x-
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29 Mar 2009 - 8:10am
Gabby Hon
2006

Mario wrote:

"There are a lot of things going on right now between the IAI and the IxDA that people aren't seeing, but they will have very positive results in the future. "

Perhaps this is a uniquely and pointedly American viewpoint given the current 'Trust us, we're fixing things' financial hooha going on, but I would say that being radically transparent about these amorphous 'things' would be in both IAI and IxDA's best interests.

Otherwise, it's just so much more blowing smoke.

29 Mar 2009 - 12:48pm
Jared M. Spool
2003

On Mar 28, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote:

> I've yet to meet a person who didn't think DUX was one of the most
> absurd conferences on the docket. To be a speaker at DUX, you must
> submit a 16-page draft of your presentation. It's ludicrous.

Then, after you submit 16-page papers, you can only present for 5
minutes.

Bah!

Jared

29 Mar 2009 - 10:52am
Anonymous

Here is an example where someone at a local level is combining IA
summit and Interaction conference stuff -

http://uxnet.org/archives/1765

A joint redux in Tokyo.

Just a small thing, but I think something to raise awareness of. And
celebrate.

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