questions about design schools and career shifts

20 May 2009 - 2:37am
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Andy Polaine
2008

This isn't going to help you decide much, but all those schools have
good reputations.

Umea & Malmo are the most interaction design focussed and all the
people that come out of them seem to be pretty rocking.

Cologne has Birgit Mager running the service design research center
and network there, if that's an area of interest.

Helsinki is great for mobile projects and research, for obvious
reasons.

You might want to check out Hyper Island in Sweden too - it's more
eclectic in terms of digital creative work, but you would experience
lots of different aspects. Again, my friends at Poke tell me that
every single intern they have had from there they have employed and
they are invariably multi-faceted and excellent:
http://www.hyperisland.se/

Best,

Andy

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20 May 2009 - 4:48am
martinpolley
2007

Hi Andy,

Do you know much about the Dutch universities (Utrecht and Delft, IIRC) that
have interaction design (or related) courses?

Cheers,

Martin Polley
Technical writer, interaction designer
+972 52 3864280
Twitter: martinpolley
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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Andy Polaine <andy at polaine.com> wrote:

> This isn't going to help you decide much, but all those schools have
> good reputations.
>
> Umea & Malmo are the most interaction design focussed and all the
> people that come out of them seem to be pretty rocking.
>
> Cologne has Birgit Mager running the service design research center
> and network there, if that's an area of interest.
>
> Helsinki is great for mobile projects and research, for obvious
> reasons.
>
> You might want to check out Hyper Island in Sweden too - it's more
> eclectic in terms of digital creative work, but you would experience
> lots of different aspects. Again, my friends at Poke tell me that
> every single intern they have had from there they have employed and
> they are invariably multi-faceted and excellent:
> http://www.hyperisland.se/
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> Andy Polaine
>
> Interaction & Experience Design
> Service Design Research
> Writing
>
> Twitter: apolaine
> Skype: apolaine
>
> http://www.polaine.com
> http://www.designersreviewofbooks.com
> http://www.omnium.net.au
> http://www.antirom.com
>
>
>
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20 May 2009 - 4:20am
alie rose
2009

Hi Mike -

If you're interested in studying in Scandinavia, you should take a
look at Copenhagen Institute of Interaction Design
http://ciid.dkds.dk/ .

Currently this is a one year course and we have students from all
around the world, from many different backgrounds (including
non-designers) - some of whom already have Masters and a PhD.

We run a very hand-on curriculum via a back-to-back workshop
education in topics such as Computational Design, Video Prototyping
and Tangible User Interface. A gallery of the workshops students have
done can be found here: http://dkds.ciid.dk/

This all takes place in a studio environment and you can get an idea
of the general atmosphere by browsing through our flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/904149@N24/

Unfortunately our application process for this Sept is coming to a
close but I would be more than happy to answer any questions you
might have.

Alie.

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20 May 2009 - 5:47am
Anonymous

Hi, Alie. I actually did encounter CIID in my search, and I would have
loved to go there. However, though I'm living and working in Norway
right now, I'm still an American citizen -- and from what I
understand, that means I'd have to pay full tuition, which I'm
trying to avoid. (Schools in Sweden, Finland, and Norway don't seem
to have the same residency restrictions.)

On the other hand, I just looked again, and the tuition isn't as
high as I had remembered it, for some reason, so I regret not
pursuing CIID further.

Mike

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20 May 2009 - 7:45am
Andy Polaine
2008

Martin,

Not all that much, no. The Dutch have a long history in interaction
design and new media arts, often with a slight anarchic aspect to it,
so I would expect there to be that kind of flavour. They also have
strong product/industrial design courses in some of those places too.
But I'm really just making assumptions here. There might be someone on
this list who has been to or is part of those unis who can help!

Best,

Andy

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Andy Polaine

Interaction & Experience Design +
Service Design Research +
Writing

Twitter: apolaine
Skype: apolaine

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http://www.designersreviewofbooks.com
http://www.omnium.net.au
http://www.antirom.com
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20 May 2009 - 8:15am
milan
2005

Hi Martin,

if you are considering more "generalist" schools in Europe, you might want
to take a look at the school where I graduated:
http://design.fh-duesseldorf.de. They use a mixed approach, in essence
very much design studio work on a broad range of subjects and media (your
choice every semester), and specialist courses in things like interaction,
motion, exhibition, editorial, product etc.

I know some people who did the course in Cologne, I think that also would
be a good choice. If you have the possibility I would certainly take the
time and spend a visit before you decide, and as far as I know all design
schools in Germany require a "Mappe" and/or test. I think the skandinavian
schools have a much more elaborate vision on IxD in particular, but maybe
with your background some insights in comm & industrial, and the long
history of a traditional design school would actually help even more to
make the transition.

Some other schools for you in Europe:
- FH Potsdam, they have a large Interface Design department
http://design.fh-potsdam.de/
- ENSCI / Les Ateliers in Paris, industrial with a lot of experimental
interaction design http://www.ensci.com/
- ENSAD in Paris, focused on Comm/Media, but very interesting highly
specialised doctorate-level degrees http://www.ensad.fr
- HS Madgeburg, IxD also more Industrial oriented
http://www.hs-magdeburg.de/engl/studium/s-studienangebot/m_interactiondesign/
- HGKz Zurich http://master.design.zhdk.ch/en/

In general, I recommend looking at their final and course-related works,
exhibitions, projects, research publications, websites/blogs etc, and not
such much concentrate on how they name what they do - in the old world IxD
is arriving very slowly, but they may be great even if they don't know
what the things they do are called like (:

milan
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20 May 2009 - 8:54am
Dave Malouf
2005

MIke, I don't think anyone can give you advice other than to say this
is the opinion I have of this school vs. that school and there will
always be a grad who thinks their school is better than everyone
else's, or conversely who had an individually bad experience and
thus won't like their school. Its a crap shoot.

Being a PhD, I think you know this, but for our listeners, I'll say
it out loud. Grad school no matter the degree flies on your ability
to create good relationships with your professors. You really want to
go some place where the professors (at least 1 or 2) are people you
want to work with and learn from.

Now this goes into the piece that you may not have thought about. 2
parts: "What do you want to be when you grow up?" & "What are your
philosophies? design, art, production, etc.?"

I would say that you need to start communicating with students &
professors from the schools that you feel you can afford to go to or
already have some interest in. They are all reputable design
educations. I would tend toward Malmo & Umea if I couldn't go to
CIID. What is great about CIID is that it is a 1-yr experience.
Someone w/ your deep experience might really just need that.

I think your bigger question of whether or not such an education
would be valuable is hard to answer. It requires the "what do you
want to be when you grow up?" question to be answered. How important
is "design" to what you want to do? Can you be creative, productive
with what you have now? Can you gain "studio" experience in other
ways? (I did this outside of education myself by taking a job in an
organization that worked inside the studio.)

That's my answer, and I'm stickin' w/ it.

-- dave

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21 May 2009 - 12:12am
martinpolley
2007

Hi Andy,

Thanks very much. Maybe I'll throw the question out on Twitter too -- quite
a number of Dutch IxDers there :)

Cheers,

Martin

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Andy Polaine <andy at polaine.com> wrote:

> Martin,
>
> Not all that much, no. The Dutch have a long history in interaction design
> and new media arts, often with a slight anarchic aspect to it, so I would
> expect there to be that kind of flavour. They also have strong
> product/industrial design courses in some of those places too. But I'm
> really just making assumptions here. There might be someone on this list who
> has been to or is part of those unis who can help!
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>
> ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
> Andy Polaine
>
> Interaction & Experience Design +
> Service Design Research +
> Writing
>
> Twitter: apolaine
> Skype: apolaine
>
> http://www.polaine.com
> http://www.designersreviewofbooks.com
> http://www.omnium.net.au
> http://www.antirom.com
> On 20 May 2009, at 12:48PM, Martin wrote:
>
>

21 May 2009 - 12:15am
martinpolley
2007

Hi Milan,

I had never considered a more generalist approach. It sounds like it is
definitely worth investigating. Thanks very much for your advice and for the
links.

Cheers,

Martin

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Milan Guenther <milan at guenther.cx> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
> if you are considering more "generalist" schools in Europe, you might want
> to take a look at the school where I graduated:
> http://design.fh-duesseldorf.de. They use a mixed approach, in essence
> very much design studio work on a broad range of subjects and media (your
> choice every semester), and specialist courses in things like interaction,
> motion, exhibition, editorial, product etc.
>
> I know some people who did the course in Cologne, I think that also would
> be a good choice. If you have the possibility I would certainly take the
> time and spend a visit before you decide, and as far as I know all design
> schools in Germany require a "Mappe" and/or test. I think the skandinavian
> schools have a much more elaborate vision on IxD in particular, but maybe
> with your background some insights in comm & industrial, and the long
> history of a traditional design school would actually help even more to
> make the transition.
>
> Some other schools for you in Europe:
> - FH Potsdam, they have a large Interface Design department
> http://design.fh-potsdam.de/
> - ENSCI / Les Ateliers in Paris, industrial with a lot of experimental
> interaction design http://www.ensci.com/
> - ENSAD in Paris, focused on Comm/Media, but very interesting highly
> specialised doctorate-level degrees http://www.ensad.fr
> - HS Madgeburg, IxD also more Industrial oriented
>
> http://www.hs-magdeburg.de/engl/studium/s-studienangebot/m_interactiondesign/
> - HGKz Zurich http://master.design.zhdk.ch/en/
>
> In general, I recommend looking at their final and course-related works,
> exhibitions, projects, research publications, websites/blogs etc, and not
> such much concentrate on how they name what they do - in the old world IxD
> is arriving very slowly, but they may be great even if they don't know
> what the things they do are called like (:
>
> milan
> --
> ||| | | |||| || |||||||| | || | ||
> milan guenther * interaction design
> p +49 173 2856689 * www.guenther.cx
>
>

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