Google Wave

29 May 2009 - 9:01am
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Mark Canlas
2003

I'm absolutely shocked no one has posted this yet.
http://wave.google.com/

Google Wave is a sort of combo e-mail/instant messaging/collaborative tool.
There's a 1 hour 20 min video of it on the Google Wave site. I encourage
everyone to watch it. It demonstrates so many complex, insane engineering
problems and bundles them into one cohesive workflow. It was developed in
secret for two years by the same team that came up with Google Maps.

I think given the right marketing and packaging, this could absolutely
revolutionize instant messaging, e-mail, collaboration in the enterprise,
and feed-based activities (bloggish/twitterish things).

Thoughts?

-Mark

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29 May 2009 - 9:26am
John Gibbard
2008

A guy just sent it around the office here, I'd not seen it before. A
1hr 20 min video might be a bit much but hey, I've signed-up and
will watch it later. What's the basic premise/elevator pitch?

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29 May 2009 - 12:14pm
Greg Petroff
2004

Google Wave has several really interesting pieces to it. The most
interesting thing to me is that they are releasing the source code
and enabling apis so that people can build in context applications
into the flow of work (a wave).

So you start collaborating on a topic with a colleague(s) and you can
add objects into the flow of that conversation that can be modified or
worked on synchronously or asynchronously by participants in the wave.

Tie this into Google Apps plus third party tools and its very
interesting collaboration platform for business.

-gp

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29 May 2009 - 12:26pm
Greg Petroff
2004

Here's a good write up from tech crunch.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/28/google-wave-drips-with-ambition-can-it-fulfill-googles-grand-web-vision/

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29 May 2009 - 8:23pm
Anonymous

Google Wave looks fantastic! Really impressed by their solution to
some really common pain points - e.g. allowing the user to reply
within an email - rather than just at the end of the email! So
obvious%u2026.but no one had done it yet. Email was developed over 40
years ago based on the tradition mail paradigm....the world is so
ready for this. Bring it on!

Suze Ingram
User Experience Consultant

suze.ingram {at} gmail.com
@suzeingram
http://suzeingram.blogspot.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/suzeingram

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30 May 2009 - 1:56am
Jiri Mocicka
2009

Really nice solution, even they have some bugs on it.
Looking forward t see HTML 5 and other application in collaboration
with it.

Could be interesting to see how other blog communities will react!

Jiri Mocicka
UI Designer & Lecturer

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30 May 2009 - 12:02am
camilo Sabogal
2009

Google wave looks great. I think they have added very useful
collaborative tools. There are many features I like such as
playback, drag and drop, bloggy, twave, links, spellchecker. One
think they have to work on it's to improve it for mobile devices.
I would like to hear about User Experience research insights

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29 May 2009 - 9:24am
Sarah R. Dulski
2009

Because everyone is talking about it on twitter. :)

It is super awesome!

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Mark Canlas <mark at htmlism.com> wrote:

> I'm absolutely shocked no one has posted this yet.
> http://wave.google.com/
>
> Google Wave is a sort of combo e-mail/instant messaging/collaborative tool.
> There's a 1 hour 20 min video of it on the Google Wave site. I encourage
> everyone to watch it. It demonstrates so many complex, insane engineering
> problems and bundles them into one cohesive workflow. It was developed in
> secret for two years by the same team that came up with Google Maps.
>
> I think given the right marketing and packaging, this could absolutely
> revolutionize instant messaging, e-mail, collaboration in the enterprise,
> and feed-based activities (bloggish/twitterish things).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Mark
>
>
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30 May 2009 - 8:24am
Scott McDaniel
2007

Considering the article (which, of course, I can't find now) that drew
me in was titled
"what if email was invented today?", these were exactly my thoughts.
This sits at the heart of what I understand about IxD (Usability! UX!
IA! Ftagn!): traditions are fine,
but for each one, is it the best thing needed for the user and task?

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, suze ingram <suze.ingram at gmail.com> wrote:
> Google Wave looks fantastic! Really impressed by their solution to
> some really common pain points - e.g. allowing the user to reply
> within an email - rather than just at the end of the email! So
> obvious%u2026.but no one had done it yet. Email was developed over 40
> years ago based on the tradition mail paradigm....the world is so
> ready for this. Bring it on!
>

30 May 2009 - 9:13am
dszuc
2005

For something like "Google wave" to work best it should feel like you can work with the platform independent of where you are and what you are viewing your data with.

What does this mean?

The downside of some collaboration solutions is that it forces me to go somewhere different (like the browser) so I feel disconnected between the desktop, browser and collaboration space experiences (sometimes different versions and sets of my data - yuk!).

If something would allow me to move seamlessly between all my data sources on my desktop, folders, browser, mobile and feel I am dealing with the same instances of data, can collaborate on all these and see mirror versions of all data independent of how I am viewing it and where the data resides - that would be optimal.

Understand we are seeing the start of this with cloud services, but the UX still feels disconnected.

rgds,
Dan

31 May 2009 - 6:00pm
Luke Loeffler
2009

I'm really excited to see this model get applied beyond communication, like IM and email. As a programmer, I would love to see developer applications that allow me to collaborate on code in real time with colleagues (this exists now as sub-etha-edit) and replace version control systems like SVN or GIT with this. Other tools such as dropbox (getdropbox.com) or apple time machine could conceivable be replaced as well. I hope they develop binary tools to handle files.

@Dan--since it is an open platform and protocol, developers should be creating new tools to work outside the browser. I think one of the biggest gains is just having one copy of the data.

31 May 2009 - 10:21pm
dszuc
2005

Yes and also see this all moving towards and idea of having a copy of
stuff on your PC and copy of stuff on the Google cloud. Gears is
already a move in that direction.

The idea of "consolidated communications" (including voice) seems
to make sense.

Also seems like people are not as concerned about their stuff on a
cloud as say they were a few years ago (the idea of the "Google
Utility" taking shape)

So the long term goal of more and more reliance on Google.

rgds,
Dan

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1 Jun 2009 - 7:15am
Anonymous

I think it's really dangerous tool. Especially, the I can see you what
you type feature. I hope this won't become a replacement of nowadays
mail clients (or being used in GMail). The problem with this feature
is that you need to think tripple before you type. Before you know it
you are sharing company secrets with the other person or you break
NDAs. Really dangerous. It's not anymore: 'Whoops, this is still under
NDA.. Hitting backspace' but then the secret would be out of the door
ASAP.

Maybe nice for friends or family but not really useful for b2b

Weyert de Boer (wdb at innerfuse.biz)
innerfuse*

http://www.innerfuse.biz

1 Jun 2009 - 8:02am
Stanislav Shymansky
2009

Weyert, that is not too dangerous. They already have checkbox which
will allow to hide what you typing.

As far as i understand you considered primarily with corporate usage
and it's likely that most companies will use their own Wave Servers
with live typing hidden by default (or equal feature).

>From the other side, when (for example) Blizzard employees got
interviewed they know about NDA and just don't say upcoming
features. Live aspect of typing is much more like real life. You
think then say.

In general the concept and idea is brilliant. Marketing is awesome
too. Those "waves" really can replace "mail" and just a great
word to use.

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1 Jun 2009 - 11:45am
ambroselittle
2008

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Mark Canlas <mark at htmlism.com> wrote:

> I'm absolutely shocked no one has posted this yet.
> http://wave.google.com/
>
> Thoughts?
>

Be careful what you ask for! :) Briefly put, that's some impressive
engineering! *wink wink nudge nudge*

Given the hype, I went into watching the insanely long demo hoping for
something great but being a tad skeptical.

I came out of watching it being a lot let down and a little annoyed. And
still skeptical.

As an ex-developer, I respect the amount and kind of complexity in building
wave, and I give props to the teams on wave for doing what they did. As a
person/potential user/potential integrator of this tech, I just can't get
myself excited about it, at least nowhere near as excited as seems the
general milieu.

What I see are some great twists on ideas like structured embedded threads,
playback, contextual spell checking, and a nifty way to enable and show
collaborative editing, which for me was the highlight. What bugs me is the
claim that this should be *the* collaboration product, platform, or protocol
and the consequent explosion of uses beyond reasonable context (twave?
really!?! facebook? etc.).

I'm also not keen (and this is related to the previous concern) on the
front-end control pattern, i.e., everything is expected to occur within the
wave for the dream to be happy. I get really skeptical, bordering on
anxious, when folks try to say "everything should go in here." Put another
way, "if you just standardize on this one way of doing it, it will all be
smooth." We've heard it before. Real life (and business) is too organic to
be thus contained. Inevitably, the Swiss army knife will be missing
something, and you still have to (or just want to!) use some other tool.
And then the whole everything-integrated-all-the-time meme dies in a
cataclysmic fireball of twisted metal and skin. What most of these kinds of
solutions do, instead of doing what they purport to do, is multiply the
tools beyond what we already have, contradicting their primary purported
value add.

I'm also concerned that so many people still seem to giddily lap up what
Google puts out as if it were here to heal the world. As someone else said
recently somewhere, as soon as they started taking money from shareholders,
they became just as big a threat to the common good as Microsoft, Apple, or
any other (mega) for-profit corporation. We need to keep it real and be
wary. Google is not doing this for the common good. They want to make
themselves the one ring to rule them all. Learn from history (and classic
fiction!).

Finally, to end on a positive note, I really do hope we see some of the
innovations shown in wave to sort of seep out into the ether, both in
Google's other stuff and outside of Google. Whether or not we buy into the
larger vision for wave, there are definitely some cool ideas and (since it
is open source) assets folks will be able to leverage. And if absolutely
nothing else, it will make life more interesting (read: challenging) for all
of us.

-ambrose

2 Jun 2009 - 2:59am
Roundand
2009

2009/6/1 J. Ambrose Little <ambrose at aspalliance.com>

>
> I'm also not keen (and this is related to the previous concern) on the
> front-end control pattern, i.e., everything is expected to occur within the
> wave for the dream to be happy. I get really skeptical, bordering on
> anxious, when folks try to say "everything should go in here." Put another
> way, "if you just standardize on this one way of doing it, it will all be
> smooth." We've heard it before. Real life (and business) is too organic
> to
> be thus contained.

I'm so inclined to agree - but then I remember the opposition Tim B-L faced
for claiming that the "U" in URI/URL should stand for Universal (
http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Axioms.html#nonunique) and I think sometimes
we should let people be bold. (Now I'd better watch the Wave video!)

Francis.
--
"Tigers walk behind me, they're there to remind me - I'm lost but I'm not
afraid" David Byrne and Brian Eno: Life is long

2 Jun 2009 - 1:06pm
Bryan J Busch
2006

I took some notes while watching the video:

1) We used to have "character by character" typing in IM programs,
but those gradually got phased out, and I don't know anybody who
turns that on anymore. I always prefer to finish my thoughts before
sending them to recipients. Sometimes I'll write a reply three times
before finally pressing "Enter".

Google Wave does have an option for turning on "draft" mode for
each reply. They'll need a setting for making this the default mode.

2) It looks like there are some processes (like adding a participant)
that can't be accomplished without the mouse. We'll have to wait and
see if this is true.

3) WordPress plugin, please.

4) Can I access any of this content while offline?

5) What kind of MS Exchange connectivity might there be?

I had other questions, of course, but they were usually answered
within the video itself.

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5 Jun 2009 - 3:31am
Håkan Reis
2006

And another note few notes...
- I just took 5 years to get drag and drop of files back in the email
client.- The point that they are using HTML5 to be their platform for RIA is
not that good though.
- The spelling and translation tool is impressive!

---
Håkan Reis
User experience consultant at Dotway AB
Øredev Program Committee

Our conference || http://oredev.org - It's going to be great in 2009
My company || http://dotway.se
My blog || http://blog.reis.se
My twitter || @haqwin

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 14:06, Bryan J Busch <bryanjbusch at gmail.com> wrote:

> I took some notes while watching the video:
>
>
> 1) We used to have "character by character" typing in IM programs,
> but those gradually got phased out, and I don't know anybody who
> turns that on anymore. I always prefer to finish my thoughts before
> sending them to recipients. Sometimes I'll write a reply three times
> before finally pressing "Enter".
>
> Google Wave does have an option for turning on "draft" mode for
> each reply. They'll need a setting for making this the default mode.
>
> 2) It looks like there are some processes (like adding a participant)
> that can't be accomplished without the mouse. We'll have to wait and
> see if this is true.
>
> 3) WordPress plugin, please.
>
> 4) Can I access any of this content while offline?
>
> 5) What kind of MS Exchange connectivity might there be?
>
> I had other questions, of course, but they were usually answered
> within the video itself.
>
>
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26 Jul 2009 - 1:48am
Sachendra
2005

Thank God someone solved the "See comments inline" problem

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