HELP NEEDED: Need to find a list of military ranks for a drop down menu

23 Jun 2009 - 11:44am
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tonyzeoli
2008

We¹re building a tribute area on an author site to fallen soldiers. I want
family members to be able to sort by last name, which means that I need to
put a field in the DB that separates rank from First Name and Last Name.

Does anyone know where I can find a list of all military ranks for a
selection box or drop down? Or, should I just put a field in the form. Which
do you think it easier and does the job most effectively. Yes, I too hate
long scrolling drop down menus. Any suggestions?

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23 Jun 2009 - 12:26pm
Anonymous

One thing to keep in mind...is this just soldiers (i.e. Army) or all
military branches? If the latter, then there are different ranks within the
different military branches to consider...

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Anthony Zeoli <tony at zaah.com> wrote:

> We¹re building a tribute area on an author site to fallen soldiers. I want
> family members to be able to sort by last name, which means that I need to
> put a field in the DB that separates rank from First Name and Last Name.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a list of all military ranks for a
> selection box or drop down? Or, should I just put a field in the form.
> Which
> do you think it easier and does the job most effectively. Yes, I too hate
> long scrolling drop down menus. Any suggestions?
>
>
> --
>
> Anthony Zeoli | ZAAH.COM
> VP Product & Business Development
>
> e: azeoli at zaah.com
>
> +1 631.873.2007 | Direct
> +1 631.873.2000 | Main
> +1 917.705.4700 | Mobile
> +1 631.873.2050 | Fax
>
> AIM: djtonyz | Yahoo: anthonyzeoli | MSN: djtonyz | Skype: tonyzeoli |
> Twitter: djtonyz
>
> 6 Dubon Court
> Farmingdale, NY 11735
>
> This document contains proprietary and confidential information, which are
> the exclusive property of Zaah Technologies, Inc. Unauthorized use of this
> or any document, marked confidential is strictly prohibited.
> Copyright© 2008 Zaah Technologies, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
>
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23 Jun 2009 - 12:39pm
Tonia M Bartz
2008

There are also different sets of ranks within branches of the
military, officer and enlisted.

Tonia M. Bartz :: Designer - Human Sciences ::
Twitter/LinkedIn/Facebook: ToniaMBartz

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Jamie Bresner<jbresner at gmail.com> wrote:
> One thing to keep in mind...is this just soldiers (i.e. Army) or all
> military branches? If the latter, then there are different ranks within the
> different military branches to consider...
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Anthony Zeoli <tony at zaah.com> wrote:
>
>> We¹re building a tribute area on an author site to fallen soldiers. I want
>> family members to be able to sort by last name, which means that I need to
>> put a field in the DB that separates rank from First Name and Last Name.
>>
>> Does anyone know where I can find a list of all military ranks for a
>> selection box or drop down? Or, should I just put a field in the form.
>> Which
>> do you think it easier and does the job most effectively. Yes, I too hate
>> long scrolling drop down menus. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Anthony Zeoli | ZAAH.COM
>> VP Product & Business Development
>>
>> e: azeoli at zaah.com
>>
>> +1 631.873.2007 | Direct
>> +1 631.873.2000 | Main
>> +1 917.705.4700 | Mobile
>> +1 631.873.2050 | Fax
>>
>> AIM: djtonyz | Yahoo: anthonyzeoli | MSN: djtonyz | Skype: tonyzeoli |
>> Twitter: djtonyz
>>
>> 6 Dubon Court
>> Farmingdale, NY 11735
>>
>> This document contains proprietary and confidential information, which are
>> the exclusive property of Zaah Technologies, Inc.  Unauthorized use of this
>> or any document, marked confidential is strictly prohibited.
>> Copyright© 2008 Zaah Technologies, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>>
>>
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23 Jun 2009 - 12:43pm
bminihan
2007

A google search for "official us military rank names" yielded this
result, which might do the trick for you:

http://www.usafesvsmarketing.org/Tools/US Military Ranks.htm

As mentioned, might help to know the service first, then your
dropdown list will be much shorter. Or you could try option groups
to group them together in order.

Might also be good to list them in ascending order (lowest rank to
highest), given that you'll rarely get more than one "General of
the Army".

Good luck =]

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23 Jun 2009 - 12:50pm
Katie Albers
2005

You really don't want to group them by service within a single drop
down. That always causes issues of supremacy to surface. Even if it's
alphabetical, the Marines will get upset that the Army is first and
the Navy will tell you that the Marines are a subset of the Navy and
shouldn't appear before them and so on.

kt
On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Bryan Minihan wrote:

> A google search for "official us military rank names" yielded this
> result, which might do the trick for you:
>
> http://www.usafesvsmarketing.org/Tools/US Military Ranks.htm
>
> As mentioned, might help to know the service first, then your
> dropdown list will be much shorter. Or you could try option groups
> to group them together in order.
>
> Might also be good to list them in ascending order (lowest rank to
> highest), given that you'll rarely get more than one "General of
> the Army".
>
> Good luck =]

23 Jun 2009 - 12:44pm
tonyzeoli
2008

Yes, I thought about the different branches and ranks amongst those
branches. It may be too complex to implement at this stage. I may have to
just keep it as a text field and people can enter the rank themselves.

On 6/23/09 1:39 PM, "Tonia M. Bartz" <tonia.m.bartz at gmail.com> wrote:

> There are also different sets of ranks within branches of the
> military, officer and enlisted.
>
>
>
> Tonia M. Bartz :: Designer - Human Sciences ::
> Twitter/LinkedIn/Facebook: ToniaMBartz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Jamie Bresner<jbresner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> One thing to keep in mind...is this just soldiers (i.e. Army) or all
>> military branches? If the latter, then there are different ranks within the
>> different military branches to consider...
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Anthony Zeoli <tony at zaah.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We¹re building a tribute area on an author site to fallen soldiers. I want
>>> family members to be able to sort by last name, which means that I need to
>>> put a field in the DB that separates rank from First Name and Last Name.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know where I can find a list of all military ranks for a
>>> selection box or drop down? Or, should I just put a field in the form.
>>> Which
>>> do you think it easier and does the job most effectively. Yes, I too hate
>>> long scrolling drop down menus. Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Anthony Zeoli | ZAAH.COM
>>> VP Product & Business Development
>>>
>>> e: azeoli at zaah.com
>>>
>>> +1 631.873.2007 | Direct
>>> +1 631.873.2000 | Main
>>> +1 917.705.4700 | Mobile
>>> +1 631.873.2050 | Fax
>>>
>>> AIM: djtonyz | Yahoo: anthonyzeoli | MSN: djtonyz | Skype: tonyzeoli |
>>> Twitter: djtonyz
>>>
>>> 6 Dubon Court
>>> Farmingdale, NY 11735
>>>
>>> This document contains proprietary and confidential information, which are
>>> the exclusive property of Zaah Technologies, Inc.  Unauthorized use of this
>>> or any document, marked confidential is strictly prohibited.
>>> Copyright© 2008 Zaah Technologies, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________
>>> Reply to this thread at ixda.org
>>> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=43105
>>>
>>> ________________________________________________________________
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23 Jun 2009 - 12:48pm
Mike Myles
2009

Jamie's point is important, each branch has a different rank
structure (I'm presuming we're talking US military).

You can find this sort of info online - Wikipedia for example... for
the US Marines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps#Rank_structure

You could either have users select the branch first, then filter the
rank list accordingly - or you could have onerank list with all
possible choices - or just a text input. If you need to do some
sorting or other computation on that field it may be important to you
to keep the data clean, so selecting from a list would be better than
a text input. But if that's not a concern a text input is fine.

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23 Jun 2009 - 12:55pm
Katie Albers
2005

You seem to be concatenating a couple problems here, which it means
it's hard to determine the best solution. (1) how do you enter the
first name and does your field contain both rank and first name and
(2) how to enable sorting by last name.

One thing I'm absolutely sure of: with all 5 branches of service
involved (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard - have I missed
any?) "rank" would require a very long selection menu (whatever its
form). Another thing is that family members and persons responsible
for entering this data will be very clear on what the rank of any
person in question. So, in this case, your issue in this case is
spelling problem, which is probably best handled by back end error
handling (The computer can spell check and offer an appropriate
alternative much more quickly than a person can find the entry in the
pull down or selection menu).

I'd actually give the data-entry people a pull-down for service
branch, and then have back end programming such that the proper list
of ranks available in that service drop down (which significantly
cuts the number of available titles. There are very few Adminals in
the Army.) and then have text fields for first name and last name.
Make sure you give them the chance to correct spelling on both those
last two -- Spelling errors in name -- for whatever reason -- seem to
be rife in the military.

katie
User Experience Strategist
katie at firstthought.com

On Jun 23, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Anthony Zeoli wrote:

> We’re building a tribute area on an author site to fallen soldiers.
> I want
> family members to be able to sort by last name, which means that I
> need to
> put a field in the DB that separates rank from First Name and Last
> Name.
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a list of all military ranks for a
> selection box or drop down? Or, should I just put a field in the
> form. Which
> do you think it easier and does the job most effectively. Yes, I
> too hate
> long scrolling drop down menus. Any suggestions?
>
>
> --
>
> Anthony Zeoli | ZAAH.COM
> VP Product & Business Development
>
> e: azeoli at zaah.com
>
> +1 631.873.2007 | Direct
> +1 631.873.2000 | Main
> +1 917.705.4700 | Mobile
> +1 631.873.2050 | Fax
>
> AIM: djtonyz | Yahoo: anthonyzeoli | MSN: djtonyz | Skype: tonyzeoli |
> Twitter: djtonyz
>
> 6 Dubon Court
> Farmingdale, NY 11735
>
> This document contains proprietary and confidential information,
> which are
> the exclusive property of Zaah Technologies, Inc. Unauthorized use
> of this
> or any document, marked confidential is strictly prohibited.
> Copyright© 2008 Zaah Technologies, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
>
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23 Jun 2009 - 1:12pm
Andrei Herasimchuk
2004

On Jun 23, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Katie wrote:

> I'd actually give the data-entry people a pull-down for service
> branch, and then have back end programming such that the proper list
> of ranks available in that service drop down (which significantly
> cuts the number of available titles. There are very few Adminals in
> the Army.)

FWIW, it's easy enough to set up a simple JSON object array and a
little bit of javascript to do that nowadays. No need to get into
backend programming at all. Not like the various ranks will change,
and it's a known list.

--
Andrei Herasimchuk

Chief Design Officer, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world

e. andrei at involutionstudios.com
c. +1 408 306 6422

23 Jun 2009 - 10:06pm
j.scot
2008

Actually, you will *never* have more than one "General of the Army"
at a time, and.. in all likelihood, even one person with that rank
would be unlikely these days.

If your intent is to offer a filter, then you're gonna want to first
let them specify the service... which would then drive what the rank
filter is populated with.

Here's the resource:

http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html
http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/enlisted.html

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23 Jun 2009 - 10:11pm
j.scot
2008

BTW, be sure you pay attention to how each service abbreviates ranks
is you're using abbreviations. Even the same rank will be
abbreviated differently (e.g., Army Master Sergeant is MSG, whereas
Air Force Master Sergeant is MSgt).

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23 Jun 2009 - 1:23pm
bminihan
2007

Katie said: You really don't want to group them by service within a
single drop down. That always causes issues of supremacy to surface.

Good point =]. I have family from all five branches (army, myself),
all of whom might leave the site entirely if they perceived it as
biased...I can hear my Dad now =]

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23 Jun 2009 - 10:36pm
EngageMotion
2008

I served in the military...

Go by this order to narrow selection:

1) Military (Army, Navy, Air Force, etc...)
2) Service Branch
3) Commissioned or Enlisted (Officer, Warrant Officer,
Non-Commissioned Officer, Enlisted)
4) Rank (Sgt, Airman, Master Chief, etc...)

There is also "pay grade" that is universal scale used to normalize
salary rates between Service Branches... "E-1" is the lowest
enlisted rank... "O-1" is the lowest commissioned officer rank.

Other items to list on a profile might be: service awards, special
unit citations, badges, years of service, tours of duty/duty
stations, military schools...

If you would like any help in brainstorming, please let me know...

Chris Vestal

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24 Jun 2009 - 3:43am
Ron George
2009

The key is why are they sorting? If you mean the family members who
are entering the soldiers names, why would they need to sort? If so,
what fields? to what end?

If you mean people trying to find a listing on your site, rank could
be an optional field but it should not be required. Ranks change
quite often and the person looking could have no idea what rank they
are. The ranks should show up in the results field though. If you do
include ranks, that should not be a limiter on results.

When entering the details of the soldier you should have a field with
service before, and then the rank drop down should auto update with
the corresponding ranks for that service allowing only selection
within the particular service.

Just to note that the soldier's home state is a very popular search
term as usually thats what identifies them from the 5 others of the
same name in the DOD.

FYI, I am a Former Marine and have done hundreds of searches for
military buddies on different sites when I have lost touch with them.

Some good examples, Military.com's buddy finder and thefew.com.

I just did a search for a buddy on military.com, here are the
results.

Results 1 - 10 of 221 for "chris collins, Army"
Name Service Status Paygrade State Unit
collins, chris Army AL

With paygrade being the rank and State being the home state. The DOD
records are always remarkably bad, so I only know this isn't my
friend because he was not from Alabama.

Good luck.

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