On the topic of Recruiters

18 Sep 2009 - 3:46am
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Joshua Porter
2007

Ok, I just received the 2nd recruitment email for exactly the same job
from exactly the same recruitment agency.

I'm all for getting IxDAers jobs (who wouldn't be), but I'm not
convinced that recruiters should be able to post to the list.

Also, there is a difference between a company posting a opening
themselves (hopefully they're participating in the community
beforehand) and a recruiter posting a "mystery" job for someone else.

I feel that we should make a reasonable effort to keep a discussion
list for discussions....and filter out things that aren't.

So I wonder...

1) Are recruiters being moderated like all first-time posters are? (it
appears not)
2) Are recruiters considered to be staying on topic?
3) Doesn't this directly violate the "job seeking" section of the list
guidelines? see: http://www.ixda.org/about_guidelines.php

Regarding #3, maybe this is just an enforcement issue?

Now, I don't just want to push recruiters away...they help to get
people jobs. So perhaps IxDA should have a jobs list or a job board?
That way, people looking for jobs can have a high signal/noise ratio,
while those who are here to learn and share around IxD can focus on
that.

Cheers,

Josh

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18 Sep 2009 - 4:13am
digikev
2009

Hi Josh, I hope you're not talking about my posts? Sorry if you are,
the first post didn't display so I left a note and reposted.

I can assure you I am advertising the role from my digital agency (it
is actually to replace me) and I am an active member of the boards.

I just thought I would jump in as I have posted the same job today!
If it isn't aimed at me then ignore everything.

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18 Sep 2009 - 4:55am
Joshua Porter
2007

No, in particular I was referring to the job posted by both Heidi
Raynor and Alex Call for the Senior UX designer in Seattle.

Fine people, I'm sure, but redundant posts on a list in which a single
post shouldn't be here in the first place.

On Sep 18, 2009, at 2:13 AM, Kevin Rapley wrote:

> Hi Josh, I hope you're not talking about my posts? Sorry if you are,
> the first post didn't display so I left a note and reposted.
>
> I can assure you I am advertising the role from my digital agency (it
> is actually to replace me) and I am an active member of the boards.
>
> I just thought I would jump in as I have posted the same job today!
> If it isn't aimed at me then ignore everything.
>
>
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18 Sep 2009 - 5:37am
David Poteet
2009

I would tend to agree, although I usually end up deleting posts with
JOB in the subject line.

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18 Sep 2009 - 6:46am
Scott McDaniel
2007

Your Point #3 also implies that recruiters will be posting jobs.
"...Of course, you are encouraged to reply privately to any job ads
posted by members who are hiring. "
I agree with redundant redundancy being annoying, but the jobs
themselves are outright allowed.

Not a Board Member,
Scott

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Joshua Porter <porter at bokardo.com> wrote:
> No, in particular I was referring to the job posted by both Heidi Raynor and
> Alex Call for the Senior UX designer in Seattle.
>
> Fine people, I'm sure, but redundant posts on a list in which a single post
> shouldn't be here in the first place.
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2009, at 2:13 AM, Kevin Rapley wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh, I hope you're not talking about my posts? Sorry if you are,
>> the first post didn't display so I left a note and reposted.
>>
>> I can assure you I am advertising the role from my digital agency (it
>> is actually to replace me) and I am an active member of the boards.
>>
>> I just thought I would jump in as I have posted the same job today!
>> If it isn't aimed at me then ignore everything.
>>
>>

--
"You always have the carny connection." - Clair High

18 Sep 2009 - 8:44am
jasonrobb
2009

Good points, Josh. I agree, and there's plenty of room for
improvement on this topic.

A scrappy way to circumvent the problem in the mean time could be to
create a rule in your mail app that archives emails from IxDA with
"[Job]" in the headline.

Jason R.

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18 Sep 2009 - 10:58am
Janaura Bishop
2009

I like the idea of a different thread for jobs. I myself am looking to
increase knowledge not get a job so i too delete those emails.
However, I am sure some members would like to see opportunities. As a
technical recruiter in my former life I know they can be a very
valuable resource so I wouldn't push them away, just place those
posts in an appropriate area.

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18 Sep 2009 - 12:57pm
Elizabeth Bacon
2003

Hi folks,

The new Conan system website is going to provide a stand-alone Job
Board!! :)

Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for
those uninterested in opportunities, but note that we explicitly allow
recruiters to post. They are moderated just like other posters, which
means that their first post is held back and subsequent posts are let
through normally.

Cheers,
Liz

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Vice-President, IxDA / www.ixda.org
CDO, Devise / www.devise.com
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On Sep 18, 2009, at 8:58 AM, janaura wrote:

> I like the idea of a different thread for jobs. I myself am looking to
> increase knowledge not get a job so i too delete those emails.
> However, I am sure some members would like to see opportunities. As a
> technical recruiter in my former life I know they can be a very
> valuable resource so I wouldn't push them away, just place those
> posts in an appropriate area.
>
>
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>
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18 Sep 2009 - 2:04pm
DrWex
2006

On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Elizabeth Bacon
<lists at elizabethbacon.com> wrote:
> Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for those
> uninterested in opportunities,

That's an interesting assumption - I'd be curious to know if you've
surveyed people on that. For myself I'm not looking but I keep a file
of job postings that I might refer to later. Likewise I check the
subjects of job postings because they give interesting data on
geographic locations and often company names/industries where hiring
is taking place.

I'd be sad to see all postings forced off the list. I though the
application of a label such as [JOB] allowed easy enough filtering,
but perhaps that's not universally true either...

Best,
--Alan

18 Sep 2009 - 2:18pm
pyces
2007

I think that allowing job postings enables people who aren't currently
looking to see what skills they are expected to have in case they decide
to start looking. It helps you to keep your skills up-to-date!. This is
good for people who have been with one company for a long time and have
had set responsibilities - they might not even think of these skills,
but developing them might help them in their current position or get
them ready for the next. And it also gives a somewhat inside track
(sometimes even to the ones responsible for hiring) to both those who
are and are not currently looking. And I agree with Alan - it's also
interesting to see which companies are hiring and where and what they're
looking for. And lastly, it gives us a reading on how the economy is
doing...no job posts means no jobs...more job posts means that things
are starting to look up, and that companies are starting to hire again!

Courtney

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Elizabeth Bacon
<lists at elizabethbacon.com> wrote:
> Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for
> those uninterested in opportunities,

That's an interesting assumption - I'd be curious to know if you've
surveyed people on that. For myself I'm not looking but I keep a file
of job postings that I might refer to later. Likewise I check the
subjects of job postings because they give interesting data on
geographic locations and often company names/industries where hiring is
taking place.

I'd be sad to see all postings forced off the list. I though the
application of a label such as [JOB] allowed easy enough filtering, but
perhaps that's not universally true either...

Best,
--Alan
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18 Sep 2009 - 4:48pm
usabilitymedic
2008

Hopefully the job board will have job search agents and email
notifications. Otherwise, a great deal of utility will be taken away
from me (someone who is primarily here to learn and share but who is
happy to see the job alerts) if I have to go somewhere every day to
check listings rather than have them come to me automatically.

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On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Elizabeth Bacon
<lists at elizabethbacon.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> The new Conan system website is going to provide a stand-alone Job
> Board!! :)
>
> Right now, job posts are definitely noise amid the discussion for
> those uninterested in opportunities, but note that we explicitly
> allow recruiters to post. They are moderated just like other
> posters, which means that their first post is held back and
> subsequent posts are let through normally.
>
> Cheers,
> Liz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Vice-President, IxDA / www.ixda.org
> CDO, Devise / www.devise.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2009, at 8:58 AM, janaura wrote:
>
>> I like the idea of a different thread for jobs. I myself am looking
>> to
>> increase knowledge not get a job so i too delete those emails.
>> However, I am sure some members would like to see opportunities. As a
>> technical recruiter in my former life I know they can be a very
>> valuable resource so I wouldn't push them away, just place those
>> posts in an appropriate area.
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Posted from the new ixda.org
>> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=45774
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
>> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help

18 Sep 2009 - 5:09pm
Andrew Boyd
2008

On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Jordan, Courtney <CJordan at bbandt.com> wrote:
> I think that allowing job postings enables people who aren't currently
> looking to see what skills they are expected to have in case they decide
> to start looking. It helps you to keep your skills up-to-date!. This is
> good for people who have been with one company for a long time and have
> had set responsibilities - they might not even think of these skills,
> but developing them might help them in their current position or get
> them ready for the next. And it also gives a somewhat inside track
> (sometimes even to the ones responsible for hiring) to both those who
> are and are not currently looking. And I agree with Alan - it's also
> interesting to see which companies are hiring and where and what they're
> looking for. And lastly, it gives us a reading on how the economy is
> doing...no job posts means no jobs...more job posts means that things
> are starting to look up, and that companies are starting to hire again!
>
> Courtney

Hi Courtney,

a big "me too" over here - I'm not looking for work in the US or
Europe where most of the positions are (not really looking for work at
all), but I love to see the type of jobs that are going. I like to ask
myself "could I do that job?" - a brief mental holiday in the middle
of an otherwise busy day.

Best regards, Andrew

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18 Sep 2009 - 6:56pm
Elizabeth Bacon
2003

Yes, folks, of course the Job Board postings will still have email
notification & RSS feed options. They are tremendously valuable for
those who want to see them, whether you're actively job hunting or
not; they're just noise among the discussion for those that *don't*
want them, like I said.

Cheers,
Liz

18 Sep 2009 - 7:23pm
Alan James Salmoni
2008

I do have a trivial concern about job postings. I often read the IxDA
discussions when at work, sometimes for learning, other times for
inspiration etc. But sometimes, when there are a load of job ads, my
bosses must think that I'm looking for a new position! :-D

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18 Sep 2009 - 8:40pm
DanP
2006

For what it's worth, I'm a big fan of the job postings here. They
serve to:

- Keep me informed of the changing job landscape
- Keep friends connected to potential companies looking to hire (I
often forward)
- Inform me as to what skills employers are looking for

The best part of the job postings here are that they meet with so many
eyes. As long as they are applicable to our profession, it seems like
a win-win.

That said, I bin anything with "JOB" in the title and have the option
to view them later -- suspect that pushing job postings off from the
main stream would dilute the number of viewers and make it less
attractive to employers to seek our talent. This is such a direct
pipeline. It needs to be respected, but so far it seems to be working
nicely.

....the alternative is that we could have no job postings at all, in
any forum. I'm happy the industry knows of us and prioritizes this
work highly.

-D

21 Sep 2009 - 5:48am
Joshua Porter
2007

For those folks who are arguing for job postings because they find
them valuable...in no way am I saying they aren't valuable. I'm
just saying they don't belong on a discussion list, especially posts
from recruiters.

I'm sure there is no reason why you couldn't subscribe to a job
posting list, when that is made available...and there you could dive
even deeper into the job world than you do now.

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22 Sep 2009 - 2:24pm
Anonymous

As a UI/UX recruiter I am open to a separated section of the website
specifically for specialty positions. Additionally, I would like the
ability to remove postings once the job is filled. I appreciate this
forum and it is one of the greatest pools of talent for my niche but
I understand the frustration.

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