Corrupt Techniques in Evidence Presentations: New Chapter from Beautiful Evidence

3 Feb 2005 - 9:21am
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Pradyot Rai
2004

Edward Tufte's writings on Evidence Presentations --

http://snipurl.com/cicz

He is raising the point that we all should be guilty about, in our
conscious or subconscious attempts. Does he have a point or is it
life-as-usual?

Prady

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3 Feb 2005 - 9:46am
Alain D. M. G. ...
2003

Pradyot Rai <pradyotrai at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Edward Tufte's writings on Evidence Presentations --
>
> http://snipurl.com/cicz

> He is raising the point that we all should be guilty about, in our
> conscious or subconscious attempts. Does he have a point or is it
> life-as-usual?

Proof once more (as if we needed more!) that Tufte does not care
and/or does not want to care about human factors and/or usability
and/or design issues in digital systems. All that text is an image!
You can't resize it in any manner if you are in any way impaired (or
have forgotten your reading glasses at home, or are using a 1600 by
1200 pixel screen like me or...). Don Norman had already pointed out
this obstinacy and/or blindness in Tufte. This does not mean he does
not have anything interesting to say, but it does mean that whatever he
says has to be scrutinized extremely carefully.

Alain Vaillancourt

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3 Feb 2005 - 9:55am
Gerard Torenvliet
2004

Alain:

> Proof once more (as if we needed more!) that Tufte does not care
> and/or does not want to care about human factors and/or usability
> and/or design issues in digital systems.

That is quite uncharitable. Sure, the digital design sucks, but Tufte
is using the web to allow us to preview the final printed work.

Tufte is very finicky about the visual form of his printed page, so he
wants us to preview not just the concepts, but their final printed
presentation. Instead of spending the money to deliver content
specifically designed for the web he has chosen to scan the pages so
that we can proof his visual and textual ideas.

If any one could point me to the Don's comments on Tufte, I'd
appreciate it. I'm sure he was more charitable than Allain is being.

-Gerard

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Gerard Torenvliet
g.torenvliet at gmail.com

3 Feb 2005 - 10:34am
Jack L. Moffett
2005

> That is quite uncharitable. Sure, the digital design sucks, but Tufte
> is using the web to allow us to preview the final printed work.

I agree that Alain's comments were more forceful than necessary. However,
there are much better ways of accomplishing what you suggest Tufte is
attempting. PDF immediately comes to mind. I would think that Tufte, of all
people, would want to present his information in the most effective way
possible.

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.690.2360 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

Form follows function -
that has been misunderstood.
Form and function should be one,
joined in a spiritual union.

- Frank Lloyd Wright

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3 Feb 2005 - 11:39am
Pradyot Rai
2004

> I agree that Alain's comments were more forceful than necessary. However,
> there are much better ways of accomplishing what you suggest Tufte is
> attempting. PDF immediately comes to mind. I would think that Tufte, of all
> people, would want to present his information in the most effective way
> possible.

It is easy to drift away from the point. I realized the same issue
myself, since I have a tendency to download/copy PDFs/HTML to my local
disc for reference. However, I thought he didn't want PDF or HTML text
to prevent copying. You can still copy, but you may not enjoy the
quality. The way he presented wasn't the problem for me to read his
points.

That said, point was, do you agree with his rhetoric against jargons,
slogans, manipulating data for presentationss, etc.? Or, is there a
feild of design/art where such manipulations are perfectly normal?

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