CMS recommendations

19 Oct 2005 - 11:40am
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Ockler, Sarah
2004

Can anyone recommend a good CMS with the following
requirements/constraints:

-Site is built with MS SharePoint
-Need versioning, permissions etc.
-Site is personalized with dynamic content based on member (it's a
member health plan Web site)
-Site is largely transactional with little static content

I'm not sure if that's enough info. We've just started to look into CMS
after learning MS SharePoint couldn't deliver what we needed. We've
gotten a proposal from Interwoven so far. I don't have a lot of
experience with large scale CMS. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks!

_______________________________________________
Sarah L. Ockler
Web Content Producer
Great-West Healthcare
8505 East Orchard Road
Englewood, CO 80111
v: 303.737.1308 :: f: 303.737.0008
www.greatwesthealthcare.com <http://www.greatwesthealthcare.com/>

Comments

19 Oct 2005 - 12:06pm
Dave Malouf
2005

If you are looking at the level of Interwoven, then I would include
Documentum into the mix (biased, in that was on the design team for their
Web Publishing solution a couple of years ago). It is very poweful and can
be customized to be as simplistic as you need.

-- dave

On 10/19/05 12:40 PM, "Ockler, Sarah" <sarah.ockler at gwl.com> wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
> Can anyone recommend a good CMS with the following
> requirements/constraints:
>
> -Site is built with MS SharePoint
> -Need versioning, permissions etc.
> -Site is personalized with dynamic content based on member (it's a
> member health plan Web site)
> -Site is largely transactional with little static content
>
> I'm not sure if that's enough info. We've just started to look into CMS
> after learning MS SharePoint couldn't deliver what we needed. We've
> gotten a proposal from Interwoven so far. I don't have a lot of
> experience with large scale CMS. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sarah L. Ockler
> Web Content Producer
> Great-West Healthcare
> 8505 East Orchard Road
> Englewood, CO 80111
> v: 303.737.1308 :: f: 303.737.0008
> www.greatwesthealthcare.com <http://www.greatwesthealthcare.com/>
>
>
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19 Oct 2005 - 12:48pm
Reese, Dean
2005

The biggest advice I could give would be to do your homework.

I have implemented Interwoven. It has a lot of capability. However, the
user population has to buy into the concept and you have to have enough
users to justify the rather large entry fee (cost).

All this said, based on your description below, the fact it is largely
transactional with little static content, begs the question why content
management?

Regards
Dean Reese
Global Architecture
Alcoa Global Business Services
201 Isabella Street
5SW30
Pittsburgh, PA 15212

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If you are looking at the level of Interwoven, then I would include
Documentum into the mix (biased, in that was on the design team for
their
Web Publishing solution a couple of years ago). It is very poweful and
can
be customized to be as simplistic as you need.

-- dave

On 10/19/05 12:40 PM, "Ockler, Sarah" <sarah.ockler at gwl.com> wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
material.]
>
> Can anyone recommend a good CMS with the following
> requirements/constraints:
>
> -Site is built with MS SharePoint
> -Need versioning, permissions etc.
> -Site is personalized with dynamic content based on member (it's a
> member health plan Web site)
> -Site is largely transactional with little static content
>
> I'm not sure if that's enough info. We've just started to look into
CMS
> after learning MS SharePoint couldn't deliver what we needed. We've
> gotten a proposal from Interwoven so far. I don't have a lot of
> experience with large scale CMS. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sarah L. Ockler
> Web Content Producer
> Great-West Healthcare
> 8505 East Orchard Road
> Englewood, CO 80111
> v: 303.737.1308 :: f: 303.737.0008
> www.greatwesthealthcare.com <http://www.greatwesthealthcare.com/>
>
>
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19 Oct 2005 - 11:55am
jrrogan
2005

You could try Zope, it's an open source CMS, at http://www.zope.org/
I just came off a CMS project for Chase Bank One merger, which used
Documentum as a CMS and it was a mess.
J. Rich Rogan
On 10/19/05, Ockler, Sarah <sarah.ockler at gwl.com> wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Can anyone recommend a good CMS with the following
> requirements/constraints:
>
> -Site is built with MS SharePoint
> -Need versioning, permissions etc.
> -Site is personalized with dynamic content based on member (it's a
> member health plan Web site)
> -Site is largely transactional with little static content
>
> I'm not sure if that's enough info. We've just started to look into CMS
> after learning MS SharePoint couldn't deliver what we needed. We've
> gotten a proposal from Interwoven so far. I don't have a lot of
> experience with large scale CMS. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sarah L. Ockler
> Web Content Producer
> Great-West Healthcare
> 8505 East Orchard Road
> Englewood, CO 80111
> v: 303.737.1308 :: f: 303.737.0008
> www.greatwesthealthcare.com <http://www.greatwesthealthcare.com> <
> http://www.greatwesthealthcare.com/>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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19 Oct 2005 - 12:20pm
Chris Rivard
2005

cmswatch.com has a report on various content management systems at
different market levels.
It looks fairly comprehensive with two different versions/pricing
options.You can view a sample excerpt at cmswatch.
To me the report seems pricey, but if you are looking for enterprise
CMS's, perhaps it is worth the cost.

hth,
Chris

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>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
>If you are looking at the level of Interwoven, then I would include
>Documentum into the mix (biased, in that was on the design team for their
>Web Publishing solution a couple of years ago). It is very poweful and can
>be customized to be as simplistic as you need.
>

19 Oct 2005 - 4:20pm
Todd Warfel
2003

This is probably one of the best places to begin your research
(http://cmswatch.com), as Chris pointed out.

Personal experience (I don't claim to be a CMS expert, but have done
a dozen or so implementations).

Large enterprise CMS applications are v.powerful, but also costly ($$$
$) and take a while to implement. Don't believe anything under 3-6
months for implementation. You should expect some level of
customization for your implementation. They claim to do everything
out of the box, but reality is that you'll need some type of
customization.

That being said, I'd recommend going w/one that is built on a
technology you're comfortable
with.

Interwoven - based on Perl (one of the only ones out there based on
Perl. Most have moved to Java). Capable, relatively user-friendly as
far as CMS goes, but that's not really user-friendly in my book.
Expect implementation costs to be in the low-mid six figure range.

FatWire - (my personal choice for off-the shelf) is based on Java.
They bought up Divine's CMS, which used to be OpenMarket. Very well
thought out application. Capable, relatively user-friendly, moreso
than any other that I've come across, but still not stellar in my
book. Also in the low-mid six figure range for implementation.

Documentum - Also very capable. I think it's Java, but Dave could
correct me on this one. Not really content management as much as it
is document management, but that doesn't stop people from using it
for CMS. Widely used and relatively user-friendly. Also in the low-
mid six figure range for implementation.

Reddot - it's decent, but nothing really stands out with this one.
Low-mid six figure range for implementation.

Vignette - run as fast as you can away from this one. Was based on
TCL, moving to Java. It's a mammoth of a CMS, high six to low seven
figure range for implementation. I've never seen a Vignette project
that wasn't a nightmare. If you need something really, really, really
complex and expensive, then this is your choice. I still am amazed
that these guys can get people to pay them for their product.

There are a ton of OpenSource options out there as well (e.g. Zope,
Plone).

And then there's the build your own model (we've done about a half-
dozen of these). Only build your own if you know what you're doing,
can spare the resources, and have found out that you can't get what
you want from an OS, or enterprise application, and don't have the
money to spend or the time to give to bending an eCMS, or OpenSource
CMS into what you need it to do.

On Oct 19, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Christopher Rivard wrote:

> cmswatch.com has a report on various content management systems at
> different market levels.

Cheers!

Todd R. Warfel
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19 Oct 2005 - 10:30pm
Fred Sampson
2005

>At 10:40 AM -0600 10/19/05, Ockler, Sarah wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good CMS . . .

May I humbly suggest that you inquire of your friendly neighborhood
technical writer/information developer, preferably a member of STC,
who might actually be dealing with content management systems on a
regular basis. Members of STC's Single-Sourcing SIG would be
particularly well-suited to have an opinion.

Other resources:
The Content Management Professionals organization,
http://www.cmprofessionals.org/;
Ann Rockley at The Rockley Group, http://www.rockley.com/, author of
"Managing Enterprise Content";
Joann Hackos at the Center for Information-Development Management,
http://www.infomanagementcenter.com/, author of "Content Management
for Dynamic Web Delivery."

Disclaimer: I've never had the pleasure of using a real content
management system. At my previous place of business, we had a
Documentum system, but the Director of Engineering Services, under
which information development worked, told me that "Documentum is not
a content management system," and we wouldn't be using it when we got
around to needing one.

Cheers,
Fred

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20 Oct 2005 - 12:26am
Luis Silva
2005

Hello

I am using Mambo at the moment to develop CMS's and I find it very flexible and pretty easy to tackle as well and I think it
provides the basic needs for a small-medium business. It's open source, so it's free, its platform independent, it has a huge amount
of plug-ins that range between document managers to RSS syndication, etc, all of them open source as well, has a huge community
developing third parties applications to run on it. And you don't need to know HTML, CSS or PHP to set it up and run it.

Check http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ for a comparison between several CMS systems.

Regards

Luis

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>At 10:40 AM -0600 10/19/05, Ockler, Sarah wrote:
Can anyone recommend a good CMS . . .

May I humbly suggest that you inquire of your friendly neighborhood
technical writer/information developer, preferably a member of STC,
who might actually be dealing with content management systems on a
regular basis. Members of STC's Single-Sourcing SIG would be
particularly well-suited to have an opinion.

Other resources:
The Content Management Professionals organization,
http://www.cmprofessionals.org/;
Ann Rockley at The Rockley Group, http://www.rockley.com/, author of
"Managing Enterprise Content";
Joann Hackos at the Center for Information-Development Management,
http://www.infomanagementcenter.com/, author of "Content Management
for Dynamic Web Delivery."

Disclaimer: I've never had the pleasure of using a real content
management system. At my previous place of business, we had a
Documentum system, but the Director of Engineering Services, under
which information development worked, told me that "Documentum is not
a content management system," and we wouldn't be using it when we got
around to needing one.

Cheers,
Fred

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Information Developer
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20 Oct 2005 - 4:14am
Stewart Dean
2004

Hi,

I've used quite a few CMS systems, both 'enterprise', bespoke and open
source and at the moment I've yet to see the perfect CMS. Most CMS systems
focus upon a particular way of working and I suggest you first identify how
your company works.

Most enterprise solutions arnt really CMS systems at but a series of
components that have to be set up to handle a site. Having worked with
Interwoven, for example, I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

Bespoke systems I've had more luck with, but they tend to be 'hardwired' for
a partictular site and don't offer much in the way of site creation ability.

Open source I've had the most luck with, but these suffer from being written
often by technical people who think of sites in terms of folders and
navigation options rather than the site structure as an IA would.

In short I've yet to find a CMS system that I can quickly set up the site,
assign templates, assign content (either from 'articles' or asigned to the
page - both methods are vital) and then allow easy dynamic integration. The
closest I've come is Dreamweaver, but that still things in terms of pages
not really in terms of site, it has no concept of navigation for example.

If such a CMS exists I'd love someone to tell me about it!

Cheers

Stewart Dean

>From: "Ockler, Sarah" <sarah.ockler at gwl.com>
>To: <discuss at ixdg.org>
>Subject: [IxDA Discuss] CMS recommendations
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:40:19 -0600
>
>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
>Can anyone recommend a good CMS with the following
>requirements/constraints:
>
>-Site is built with MS SharePoint
>-Need versioning, permissions etc.
>-Site is personalized with dynamic content based on member (it's a
>member health plan Web site)
>-Site is largely transactional with little static content
>
>I'm not sure if that's enough info. We've just started to look into CMS
>after learning MS SharePoint couldn't deliver what we needed. We've
>gotten a proposal from Interwoven so far. I don't have a lot of
>experience with large scale CMS. Any thoughts are appreciated.
>
>Thanks!
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sarah L. Ockler
>Web Content Producer
>Great-West Healthcare
>8505 East Orchard Road
>Englewood, CO 80111
>v: 303.737.1308 :: f: 303.737.0008
>www.greatwesthealthcare.com <http://www.greatwesthealthcare.com/>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________
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19 Oct 2005 - 1:15pm
Mike Donovan Hausler
2005

There's an interesting (and very cost effective) tool called ConcreteCMS.
It's open source. I've used it recently, and it's pretty robust - very
flexible and easy to use.

www.concretecms.com

Ask for Franz.

Best,
mdh.

Mike Donovan Hausler
Creative Director // Partner
Gere+Donovan Creative.
503 235 3023

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On 10/19/05 10:20 AM, "Christopher Rivard" <chris at clearwired.com> wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
> cmswatch.com has a report on various content management systems at
> different market levels.
> It looks fairly comprehensive with two different versions/pricing
> options.You can view a sample excerpt at cmswatch.
> To me the report seems pricey, but if you are looking for enterprise
> CMS's, perhaps it is worth the cost.
>
> hth,
> Chris

19 Oct 2005 - 3:00pm
Chris Rivard
2005

Zope. here here.

Zope is an application server developed in Python.
CMF (content management framework) is a framework for building CMS's in Zope
Plone is a Zope based CMS built on top of the Zope CMF

Zope is:
- transactional object database
- RDBMS hooks
- granular security model supporting roles and permission
- open source

...Zope Zen...

MS Sharepoint? ugh.

-Chris

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Clearwired Web Services

5345 Wyoming NE Suite 200C
Albuquerque, NM 87109

office/ 505.217.3505
mobile/ 505.301.4010
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fax/ 505.217.3506

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Rich Rogan wrote:

>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
>You could try Zope, it's an open source CMS, at http://www.zope.org/
> I just came off a CMS project for Chase Bank One merger, which used
>Documentum as a CMS and it was a mess.
> J. Rich Rogan
> On 10/19/05, Ockler, Sarah <sarah.ockler at gwl.com> wrote:
>
>

20 Oct 2005 - 10:28am
penguinstorm
2005

On Oct-20-2005, at 2:14 AM, Stewart Dean wrote:

> Most enterprise solutions arnt really CMS systems at but a series of
> components that have to be set up to handle a site. Having worked with
> Interwoven, for example, I wouldnt wish it on anyone.

I've never worked in Interwoven, but I've heard implementation
nightmare stories involving 6 months delayed launches and out of
control budgets.

> Bespoke systems I've had more luck with, but they tend to be
> 'hardwired' for
> a partictular site and don't offer much in the way of site creation
> ability.

Truly the only way to deliver a fully coherent content management
strategy for your site. At a cost, as has been pointed out.

> Open source I've had the most luck with, but these suffer from
> being written
> often by technical people who think of sites in terms of folders and
> navigation options rather than the site structure as an IA would.

It strikes me that the wisest strategy for an enterprise wide content
management system is to use a few different solutions and tying them
together using some hard coded HTML and PHP modules.

Use the strengths of each, and build your own glue - you'll probably
save money, be happier with the results than trying to find a single
one size fits all solution and get it built on time and faster.
Movable Type, for example does a great job with general content but
isn't well built for an ecommerce solution. You could, however, use
MT to publish as RSS feed of item information that could then be read
into a Shopping Cart engine.

Whatever your solution, document it - a CMS is not an excuse not to
document the work that's been done.
--
Scott Nelson
skot at penguinstorm.com
http://www.penguinstorm.com/

20 Oct 2005 - 10:37am
Dwayne King
2005

Quick response with my personal experience:

RedDot is bad news. We were recently commissioned to undo a RedDot
implementation and put in a home-baked solution. The RedDot stuff is
the worst set-up technically that I've ever seen. The way they've
coded this, by way of comparison, would be to build a calculator and
rather than having it be able to calculate answers, they hard-coded in
what they thought was every possible calculation that someone would
want and try to match that. Not sure if that makes sense, but suffice
ti to say it's BAD, very, very BAD.

It's very seldom that I write anti-reccomendations, but this is really
bad. The group that hired our team had RedDot in for less than a year
when they had to pay us to come rip it all out.

If anyone does use RedDot, please keep my email address for when you
can't take it any more, I'd be glad to come rip it out :)

Dwayne

On 10/19/05, Todd Warfel <lists at toddwarfel.com> wrote:
>
> Personal experience (I don't claim to be a CMS expert, but have done
> a dozen or so implementations).
> >
>
> Reddot - it's decent, but nothing really stands out with this one.
> Low-mid six figure range for implementation.

20 Oct 2005 - 11:15am
Taneem Talukdar
2005

I spend several months earlier this year evaluating open source CMS systems
for use in a corporate intranet application (building a repository of UI
guidelines and standards for the company's applications).

I did at one point or another review all the open source packages already
mentioned, and then a few more and came out with the following 3:

1. Mambo (http://www.mamboserver.com/)
2. Drupal (http://drupal.org/)
3. Typo 3 (http://typo3.com/)

Mambo is relatively easy to get started with as the concept of components
and modules are easy to understand and manipulate. Drupal is another
comparable option. Typo 3 offered a lot of flexibility but learning it takes
time.

Someone else mentioned how:

"Most CMS systems
focus upon a particular way of working and I suggest you first identify how
your company works."

I think this is absolutely true -- if the CMS is installed without a
complete breakdown of what it's supposed to do, you're going to end up
spending more time working with the CMS than making it work for you.

That being said, with a bit of work it is possible to completely customize
the CMS you are using so that it does exactly what you want it to do. For
example Mambo's usual configuration will steer you towards building a site
with news modules, links, user contributed articles and so on. However when
I started with it, I started first by planning out my own site, and then
using Mambo components to produce the dynamic content necessary. I did this
by basically completely hacking up the output display files it had, and
inserting some of my own php code.

It's a lot of work, no doubt about it. Which is why most CMS run sites stick
with some variation of the default configurations, and the majority of CMS
powered sites look and feel the same.

-Taneem

p.s. There's been a recent split in the Mambo project and apparently a lot
of the core developers have moved away from it and are now developing another
CMS called Joomla. I'm not really sure what's going to happen at this point.

On 10/19/05, Christopher Rivard <chris at clearwired.com> wrote:
>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Zope. here here.
>
> Zope is an application server developed in Python.
> CMF (content management framework) is a framework for building CMS's in
> Zope
> Plone is a Zope based CMS built on top of the Zope CMF
>
> Zope is:
> - transactional object database
> - RDBMS hooks
> - granular security model supporting roles and permission
> - open source
>
> ...Zope Zen...
>
> MS Sharepoint? ugh.
>
> -Chris
>
>
> --
> Christopher Rivard
> Clearwired Web Services
>
> 5345 Wyoming NE Suite 200C
> Albuquerque, NM 87109
>
> office/ 505.217.3505
> mobile/ 505.301.4010
> toll-free/ 866.430.2832
> fax/ 505.217.3506
>
> e/ chris at clearwired.com
> w/ www.clearwired.com <http://www.clearwired.com>
>
>
>
> Rich Rogan wrote:
>
> >[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
> >
> >You could try Zope, it's an open source CMS, at http://www.zope.org/
> > I just came off a CMS project for Chase Bank One merger, which used
> >Documentum as a CMS and it was a mess.
> > J. Rich Rogan
> > On 10/19/05, Ockler, Sarah <sarah.ockler at gwl.com> wrote:
> >
> >
>
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21 Oct 2005 - 9:30am
penguinstorm
2005

On Oct-20-2005, at 9:15 AM, Taneem Talukdar wrote:

> There's been a recent split in the Mambo project and apparently a lot
> of the core developers have moved away from it and are now
> developing another
> CMS called Joomla. I'm not really sure what's going to happen at
> this point.
>

Now would be a very bad time to *start* a Mambo implementation. Let
this move shake itself out for a while. I'm sure Mambo will continue
to exist, but its future evolution is too unclear to risk if for any
project with a timeframe longer than a year at this point.
--
Scott Nelson
skot at penguinstorm.com
http://www.penguinstorm.com/

22 Oct 2005 - 9:41am
Stewart Dean
2004

>From: Taneem Talukdar <taneem.t at gmail.com>

<snip>

>
>p.s. There's been a recent split in the Mambo project and apparently a lot
>of the core developers have moved away from it and are now developing
>another
>CMS called Joomla. I'm not really sure what's going to happen at this
>point.

Joomla appears to be a favourite in open source but, as someone who things
about site structurres, currently it thinks in terms of navigation from a
front page, not site structure with appropiate templates.

I've mentioned this in discussions about the product and it's in the current
road map - but may take some time due to the open source nature of the
product.

Meanwhile i'm still looking for CMS heaven.

A quick mention of CMS hell and a bit of naming and shaming, Barclays (big
UK bank) use interwoven for their public facing sites and due to it being a
very minimal implimentation of an old version get a fraction of the
functionality out of it as you will see in most open source CMS. They have
non technical people trying to work with it, which is fine if the CMS allows
none technical people the flixibility to work with it. The end result is
major alterations are owned by the internal techincal team, who charge for
even asking how long something will cost. A simple feedback form had an
internal cost of several thousand pounds and a several week lead time.

This is the latest of several nightmares realated to, quite frankly abysmal
solutions that are being peddled as enterprise content management systems.

Beware the snake oil - there's a lot of it about.

Stewart Dean

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