Coming soon: IxDA's new job board, powered by Coroflot

28 Oct 2010 - 10:48am
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IxDA Board of D...
2009

Today we are excited to announce that IxDA is partnering with Core 77 to bring you a new IxDA job board, powered by Coroflot, launching Monday, November 1st.

The advantages of this partnership are many, to both the community and IxDA.  For every job posted via IxDA, it will appear not only at IxDA.org but also at Coroflot.com and its partner websites for 90 days. To celebrate our new partnership, every post made during the month of November will cost US $165.  Starting in December, each post will cost US $265, the same as posting today at Coroflot.com.  The difference?  Half of the money will go to support IxDA, its mission and platforms.

Why switch from a free to a paid model?  IxDA currently has no stream of revenue outside of the conferences.  To date, most revenue from the conferences feeds back into the next conference, and with conference planning now requiring us to plan as far as two years in advance, investment in those events is required.  In the meantime, with no membership revenue and fundraising only able to go so far, we need to find ways to support the organization's operation and growth.

With now +22,000 members at IxDA.org, and undoubtedly more who have not joined but watch from afar, your reach will be far. We've seen numerous job postings every day with the launch of the new IxDA.org, and feel the inception of this new job board will provide the value, quality, clarity and reach for both those recruiting and seeking opportunities.

Any posts currently listed will be removed on Monday, November 1st.  We hope you consider reposting on the new job board.

Many thanks,
Janna DeVylder
President, IxDA
janna.devylder(at)ixda.org

Comments

28 Oct 2010 - 3:22pm
Mike Starr
2009

While I'm a technical writer with UX experience rather than a UX professional, I've seen this sort of thing before. The Society for Technical Communication (http://www.stc.org/) moved from a free model to a paid model similar to the one shown here. The number of job listings posted to the website declined immediately from a steady stream to a trickle. Right now, the IXDA mailing list presents a large number of job openings but I'm guessing the same thing will happen as happened with STC. <sigh>

28 Oct 2010 - 6:05pm
Benjamin Bennett
2003

I agree.  While I applaud and understand the desire to create a revenue stream, as a hiring manager I know that sometimes corporate budgets simply don't allow for (targeted) paid placements.  As such I believe there will always be a need for free job postings and it'll be a real shame to loose this great channel.  (Hopefully the community won't also loose a significant amount of participation due to the loss of job posts.) 


Perhaps a compromise solution might work?  Maybe a model such as the typical - free "standard" posts and paid "premium" posts - style approach?  Offhand I don't know what the differences should be, but would the IxDA Board of Directors to open to such considering something like that?



On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Mike Starr <mike@writestarr.com> wrote:

While I'm a technical writer with UX experience rather than a UX professional, I've seen this sort of thing before. The Society for Technical Communication (http://www.stc.org/) moved from a free model to a paid model similar to the one shown here. The number of job listings posted to the website declined immediately from a steady stream to a trickle. Right now, the IXDA mailing list presents a large number of job openings but I'm guessing the same thing will happen as happened with STC. <sigh>

(((Ple
29 Oct 2010 - 1:05pm
DrWex
2006

I'm surprised there hasn't been more response to this. I wonder if the idea was tested or validated with any of the membership? Perhaps I missed it.

From my point of view this will deprive me of a valuable resource - the stream of information and opportunities - and as someone who occasionally hires people it closes off a place I would hire from.

The problem I see underlying this is a model error. A job in the Board's model seems to be something generated by an agency that has money to spend and that makes back that money from placing people in these jobs. That model doesn't describe any hiring I have ever done and less than half of my own job changes. The model also assumes that those who do have money for job placements have no other free avenues to reach this audience and so imposing this fee will not drive the listings to the free alternatives. I assume that the Board has done the surveys and revenue modeling to support their chosen price point - can that be shared?

Meanwhile I'll just move to chi-jobs and Craigslist and LinkedIn and so on, because I have no money for this nor do I make money by hiring IxDA list members.

29 Oct 2010 - 3:05pm
Yury Frolov
2006

Agreed, please keep in mind that this robust flow of job postings provides an important secondary benefit for members of this list - it gives a good snapshot of what hiring companies are looking for in terms of experience, skill-set, even the way they describe positions and job focus provides a good insight into where UXD market is going.  I am sure sure that requiring fees for posting jobs here will kill this stream of information - and i believe it's a disservice for this community. Keep it free!
Yury

On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:01 PM, DrWex wrote:

I'm surprised there hasn't been more response to this. I wonder if the idea was tested or validated with any of the membership? Perhaps I missed it.
From my point of view this will deprive me of a valuable resource - the stream of information and opportunities - and as someone who occasionally hires people it closes off a place I would hire from.
The problem I see underlying this is a model error. A job in the Board's model seems to be something generated by an agency that has money to spend and that makes back that money from placing people in these jobs. That model doesn't describe any hiring I have ever done and less than half of my own job changes. The model also assumes that those who do have money for job placements have no other free avenues to reach this audience and so imposing this fee will not drive the listings to the free alternatives. I assume that the Board has done the surveys and revenue modeling to support their chosen price point - can that be shared?
Meanwhile I'll just move to chi-jobs and Craigslist and LinkedIn and so on, because I have no money for this nor do I make money by hiring IxDA list members.
On Oct 28, 2010 9:29 PM, "Benjamin Bennett" <benneb@gmail.com [1]> wrote:> I agree.  While I applaud and understand the desire to create a revenue> stream, as a hiring manager I know that sometimes corporate budgets simply> don't allow for (targeted) paid placements.  As such I believe there will> always be a need for free job postings and it'll be a real shame to loose> this great channel.  (Hopefully the community won't also loose a significant> amount of participation due to the loss of job posts.) >> Perhaps a compromise solution might work?  Maybe a model such as the typical> - free "standard" posts and paid "premium" posts - style approach?  Offhand> I don't know what the differences should be, but would the IxDA Board of> Directors to open to such considering something like that?>> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Mike Starr <mike@writestarr.com [2] [1]> wrote:>>>While I'm a technical writer with UX experience rather than a UX>>professional, I've seen this sort of thing before. The Society for Technical>>Communication (http://www.stc.org/ [3] [2]) moved from a free model to a paid>>model similar to the one shown here. The number of job listings posted to>>the website declined immediately from a steady stream to a trickle. Right>>now, the IXDA mailing list presents a large number of job openings but I'm>>guessing the same thing will happen as happened with STC. <sigh>>>>>(((Ple>>> (((Ple
29 Oct 2010 - 2:02pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

I'm still thinking about it. I know why they are doing it. I'd rather they do this than decide it's time to start charging membership fees. However, I had been advertising this as a benefit for our local group and trying to get businesses in our area using it. I had gotten CMU on board (2 faculty positions posted in the last month) and a major hospital. I just had to inform them that their postings will be removed the first of November. So, from the point of view of a local leader, I don't like the decision.

29 Oct 2010 - 2:34pm
Joe Sokohl
2004

We looked at these issues. Really hard. We considered individuals or small firms doin the quick job announcement. But then we looked at the data. What it show is the vast majority of job postings are from recruiters first, the company HR departments, and individuals way last. These recruiters are already paying other sites (Coroflot, Boxes and Arrows, and others). We feel that for us to enter a paid job realm simply puts us in line with the users' expectations while also encouraging them to participate in helping all of us out. Remember, posting a job also means you're helping out your fellow IxDAer. Again, we have actually considere. This idea for quite some years (before I was on the board)--it i not a hasty decision. We hope you will check it out and see how well it works for most folks in the IxDA and how it helps put candidates and employers together.

29 Oct 2010 - 3:23pm
DerrekRobertson
2010

 

Fellow designers, I am optimistic about this Board decision, here's why:


IxDA deserves the respect that comes with gatekeepers. We are an exclusive set of designers, with a membership that is growing rapidly. Companies that post to our website should have to buy in, or they will not respect what they get out. IxDA is well respected and hosts lively conversation between professionals. If we uphold our respect for IxDA, when a recruiter, HR manager or VP sees IxDA on your resume, it will mean something to them, especially if they had to approve a small fee to receive that resume.

IxDA is an association, unlike CraigsList or LinkedIn. We are tightly knit by local groups that meet in person, a mission statement and an annual conference. We are geeks of a certain flavor. We have a robust skill set and a proven methodology that is akin to the leading design firms in the world. Job posts on IxDA reach a select group of professionals that social media service LinkedIn and web 1.0 CraigsList do not. I believe that, if CraigsList and LinkedIn's content is monetized (and it is), ours should be doubly so.

You needn't post a job to fill it. Let us not forget that we can approach eachother with jobs we think the other person would be good for. Agencies cannot do this, but we can. On this .org, discussions are tagged and comments are voted on. Search them. Find candidates. Offer opportunity. Take advantage of IxDA.org's great signal to noise ratio. If it is not in your budget to broadcast to 22,000+ members, why not use the freely accessible discussion forum and directory to find (and vet) ID professionals for the position you're hiring for? If that sounds like to much work because you're too busy earning money, spend some of it - it goes into the coffers of your association. 

 

Finally, let us also acknowledge that decisions like this can be reversed. I've never used Coroflot's portfolio tool, it looks adequate at a glance, maybe not as nice as Krop or CargoCollective but adequate - perhaps it integrates with our system well - I don't know. But designing an online Job Board is an ID problem right? Let's take a direction, learn from it, and course correct along the way. Thank you Board of Directors.

 

29 Oct 2010 - 4:07pm
Adam Korman
2004

This is surprising and disappointing. I am sympathetic to the need to raise funds, but even if this does raise some money, let's not pretend that having a paid job board is a benefit for the community. There will be fewer job posts, mainly among the jobs that are hardest to find and fill (those posted by individuals, which will disappear). 

Despite hearing that the board has talked about this for years, as someone who hasn't been privy to that discussion, it definitely comes across as a drastic and hasty decision that the IxDA Board has suddenly decided to monetize the member list and its activity with just a couple of days notice.

-Adam

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