Is the e-mail list dead?

14 Jan 2011 - 2:15pm
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dantemurphy
2010

I know there was a lot of hubub over the future of IxDA, and some calls for the death of the email list...was sentence carried out?  I haven't gotten an IxDA email in days, but it looks like there are new threads...

I think it's symptomatic of a larger problem...I still feel connected to the people I know in IxDA, mostly through twitter, but I no longer feel connected to the org, and I'm not sure I'm interested in going looking for it on Quora.

So, I'll give it a try...

Is there anybody out there?  Am I just shouting into the void?

Comments

15 Jan 2011 - 8:05pm
garbanzito
2009

On 2011-01-14 21:48 , Dave Malouf wrote: > The RSS feed is working fine. The way you use it is simple. Go to > ixda.org/discussions scroll to the bottom of the page. On the leftish > side of the screen at the bottom is a link called "Get the feed". Right > click and copy link. Enter URL into your favorite feed reader. it is > that simple. > > Here's the down side. It doesn't give you all the comments. Just the > start of a thread.That was done on purpose w/ the new design. if you want emails for specific conversations, you can then subscribe to that conversation.

you can also get an RSS feed of comments on a single discussion topic from the bottom of that topic's page; and while the relevant feeds are linked at the bottom of each page, any browser that auto-detects feeds (FireFox, Safari ...) should also show a feed icon in the URL bar; depending on your configuration, subscribing to any of the feeds could be as simple as clicking on this icon

(there are also feeds for things like the tags applied to posts, posts by a user, jobs)

14 Jan 2011 - 2:39pm
Matt Nish-Lapidus
2007

We're still here.

There seem to be some issues with the servier that I haven't been able to resolve. One is that occasionally the email sending service dies... I'm trying to figure out what's happening, but until then I just restart it manually.

 

 

14 Jan 2011 - 2:47pm
Chris E.
2009

I'd been wondering the same thing....

 

 

14 Jan 2011 - 2:51pm
Elizabeth Bacon
2003

Dante, Thanks for your caring. Your post sure made me sit up straight! I truly wish I had more time to engage in IxDA conversation but my work & life have been unrelentingly nuts for the past 6-9 months now. IMO, Quora is NOT any kind of substitute for the IxDA list. It's oriented towards answering a given question, and any debates that happen unfold in these tiny alleyways tucked underneath an individual reponse to that question; to me, it's incoherent and impersonal. I wish that a way were clear for how to help the IxDA Discussion list thrive again. Our concern for it may not be enough, but it's a good foundation....

Best,
Liz 

14 Jan 2011 - 5:05pm
david.shaw6@gma...
2004

Thanks Dante and Liz... I'm in that same camp!  Vive la list d'email! 

14 Jan 2011 - 3:06pm
Ryan Lum
2006

I'm here;)

14 Jan 2011 - 8:06pm
Nicola
2009

I didn't get any messages for days so today I checked my account on the site and few hours later I received this thread. Hope the problem can be solved soon.

Nicola

14 Jan 2011 - 3:06pm
Michael Haggerty
2010

I am here...

Best Regards, Michael Haggerty

Michael Haggerty | CEO, Chief Internet Strategist | Trellon, LLC

web www.trellon.com | email mhaggerty@trellon.com tel 240 643 6561 | aim haggerty321

14 Jan 2011 - 5:05pm
Lee Andrese
2010

Present.

14 Jan 2011 - 3:09pm
Mary Constance Parks
2009

Here!

14 Jan 2011 - 3:47pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

I agree with you, Liz! It feels to me like a large number of the "old-timers" have stopped participating in the list as much as we did back in the day. As a result, the sense of community has faded and the quality and richness of discussion has slackened. I blame the increase in the number of channels—mainly Twitter.

14 Jan 2011 - 4:06pm
brianh
2010

I was wondering the same thing. What happened? The only way I would keep up with discussion on a website is if there was an RSS feed for it.

Brian

14 Jan 2011 - 6:05pm
Thomas Solyan
2009

All I know is that is impossible to opt out once you are a member. The non stop work of sending the mail to my spam folder is not only a pain but is most likely bad for their sending reputation at the ISP's. As an employee of an ESP (ReachMail) I think before I "spam" someone as I know about reputations being affected by spam complaints of more than 1%, but I have no choice as the opt out does not exist, just try the one at the bottom ant you will see...

14 Jan 2011 - 7:21pm
greg
2009

I've unsubscribed you from the two mailing lists (discussion and jobs).

The footer does contain a link to a place where you can unsubscribe but it requires you to login. If you don't have your login details you can request a one-time login link that will get you in and let you modify your subscriptions. It's labeled with "Manage Subscriptions or Unsubscribe .......... "

 

14 Jan 2011 - 6:56pm
Elizabeth Bacon
2003

Just an FYI, there IS an RSS feed for the website-based IxDA Discussion forums! I ain't an RSS user so I can't point you to it or say anything more than that, but it exists. :)))

15 Jan 2011 - 6:07am
netwiz
2010

Over a considerable period of time there has been so much debate and time spent on the problems with the site and the mailing list that could have been much better spent on more constructive issues.   I honestly don't understand why it's necessary to re-invent the wheel. Sites like Yahoo groups offer for free the vast majority of elements needed to keep the group going. Go and have a look. Link it with a site doing what it can't do, if you want, but let's not spend time and energy calling for volunteers to develop what's already there, and saying that others are just apathetic.

  Nick

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Elizabeth Bacon <lists@elizabethbacon.com> wrote:

Just an FYI, there IS an RSS feed for the website-based IxDA Discussion forums! I ain't an RSS user so I can't point you to it or say anything more than that, but it exists. :)))

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14 Jan 2011 - 4:29pm
Adam Korman
2004

Email distribution has been broken off and on since the end of December. As someone who follows the discussion mainly in email, it is like IxDA just faded into oblivion. For whatever reason, the first message in this thread is the only email I've received in 4 days.

Although I personally like an email-based discussion list, I'd rather see the organization make an intentional decision to kill the email list than to let the broken tools kill the organization.

14 Jan 2011 - 4:36pm
dantemurphy
2010

I'd rather see the organization make an intentional decision to kill the email list than to let the broken tools kill the organization.

That's one of the things that I'm afraid of.  That, and mice.

14 Jan 2011 - 10:06pm
cfmdesigns
2004

So you prefer trackballs, styluses, and touch screens?

14 Jan 2011 - 5:43pm
Leon Barnard
2008

Personally, I stopped subscribing to the email list when the format got all screwed up with the new IXDA website (March, 2010). I used to get a nice digest of each topic with a link to all replies to that topic, but then it became an ugly, unmanageable list of every response with no context around the topic. My involvement also dropped off at that point. See attachments for before and after.

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14 Jan 2011 - 7:00pm
Elizabeth Bacon
2003

Leon, You (and who knows how many others!!) missed some major improvements that the IxDA Board implemented to the digest message formatting a couple months ago now. Here is how it looks now!!! I see that there are some bugs (note that there's a comment listed three times) but it's a VAST improvement over Drupal's default & is as close to as good as it was before.

Cheers,
Liz

 

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14 Jan 2011 - 11:14pm
Dave Malouf
2005

The RSS feed is working fine. The way you use it is simple. Go to ixda.org/discussions scroll to the bottom of the page. On the leftish side of the screen at the bottom is a link called "Get the feed". Right click and copy link. Enter URL into your favorite feed reader. it is that simple.

Here's the down side. It doesn't give you all the comments. Just the start of a thread. That was done on purpose w/ the new design. if you want emails for specific conversations, you can then subscribe to that conversation. replying does not auto-subscribe you.

It does seem though that the "broken" nature of email per MNL is effecting even that type of subscribing for reply notification. That's a bummer. I've been coming to the site daily to check on things.

Dante, I don't think the community or even the discussion is close to being dead. We have had lows before like this in our history. It might even be a good thing. I bet that post conference things pick up again. 

14 Jan 2011 - 11:14pm
Joe Sokohl
2004

As Liz said, there have been some improvements throughout the year. In fact, new anti-spam measures have just been launched that should strongly reduce the amount of spam to little if not none.

As far as the future of discussion by email...I'll let others chime in. I do know that the preferred approach, both technically and community-related, is to use email primarily as a notification but to have folks use these tools to enter into the discussion.

18 Jan 2011 - 1:06am
usabilitymedic
2008

Still here too.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 15, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Joe Sokohl wrote:

> As Liz said, there have been some improvements throughout the year. In fact, new anti-spam measures have just been launched that should strongly reduce the amount of spam to little if not none. > > As far as the future of discussion by email...I'll let others chime in. I do know that the preferred approach, both technically and community-related, is to use email primarily as a notification but to have folks use these tools to enter into the discussion. > >

15 Jan 2011 - 12:55am
Anonymous

Yeah, The RSS feed is better than email list.Tongue out

24 Jan 2012 - 11:37am
Neil Lee
2007

For what it's worth I have never been able to email the list successfully - my emails disappear in the ether. I have no idea why as I have no problems with all of the other lists I particpate on. (I'm posting this using the web UI.) Known issue?

24 Jan 2012 - 12:35pm
Moses Wolfenstein
2010

I'm a little confused here. I haven't had any problem receiving IxDA emails, although I haven't been able to reply to them (which I know is a long standing issue)...that and I'm also confused by the level of drama going on here.

Apart from the fact that some people seem unable to get content by email, is it really such a big deal to leave yourself logged into the site and pop over here when you want to make a comment? Sure it's not ideal, and sure I'd like to be able to reply by mail too, but speaking personally it's a couple of seconds difference for me. It doesn't fundamentally break  my experience with this group.

24 Jan 2012 - 1:35pm
ekim
2010

I'd agree.  Given the stated technical constraints and the lack of resources, the next best thing would be to just send me the discussion via email with a link to the website (to directly reply, of course).  I realize it's less convenient than replying from your email client, but it seems the best option given the circumstances.  Better than Quora, RSS, setting up a Yahoo list, etc. in my opinion.

24 Jan 2012 - 2:24pm
Matt Nish-Lapidus
2007

Thanks. That's it exactly. Email notifications and updates will continue to be sent, so people who read discussions in their email can continue to do that. Replies will now have to happen by clicking on the link and using the website. Our website is currently not the best for mobile, which is something I will soon be looking for volunteers to help with.

24 Jan 2012 - 4:01pm
chrischandler
2008

 

I'd like to make a suggestion to the Board and to the very fine volunteers for ixda.

Send out a regular update on the situation, including a call for volunteers to address. Lots of people must join and leave the list on a monthly basis -- some of them might have the skills/time/passion you're looking for, and ALL of us would appreciate knowing what the issues are for the discussion, what the current options are, and that you guys would be more than happy for someone to help you make things work better.

For the record, I use email, post posting through the web form is fine in most cases for me personally -- and I enjoy watching people get bent out of shape online.

-cc

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