Discussion Archive: May 2004

10 May 2004 - 10:14am
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Ben Speaks
2004

Summary - Usability War Stories

Comrades,

Recommendations are summarized below:

Book title: "The Human Factor"
Author: Kim Vicente

Book title: "Set Phasers on Stun"
Author: Stephen J.

6 May 2004 - 1:24pm
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Frank Elley
2004

Web Editor / IA Job Opportunity, SF Bay Area

Apologies ... I hope this isn't spam-ish.

6 May 2004 - 8:52am
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9 years ago
16 replies
Michael Bartlett
2004

Outlook

To fork the conversation...

Three questions, Elizabeth (Elizabeth is our primary persona!):

1. Why not Outlook?
2. What do you use instead?
3.

5 May 2004 - 7:26pm
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Cwodtke
2004

san francisco Bay area folks! first friday!

In memory of the fine cocktail hours that once graced our bay area, Frank Ramirez and I are starting First Fridays! The first Friday of the month those who wish to talk about "what we do" be it ID, IA Ed, or usability, will gather at 6:30 for social debate and beverage consumption.

5 May 2004 - 4:18pm
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Dave Malouf
2005

Richer distributed apps (was RE: web design)

Andrei chimed in w/
<<While I did all the design work to make a frame-based chat system work in
a web browser for the last company I worked for, all I kept asking
was: "This is silly. Why don't we just make a thin-client and do this
right?" The whole frames thing really is a serious band-aid, and generally
points out that one is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Bite the bullet. If your web app requires robust interaction, dump the
browser and do it right.

5 May 2004 - 12:26pm
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9 years ago
3 replies
Brad Lauster
2003

[OT] Not a competition, but...

For those of you who know what Orkut is:

Back when Orkut began, I created an Interaction Designers community[1].
Some of you are probably members.

Well, for the first time since Orkut's beginning, the population of the
Interaction Designers community has surpassed the population of the
Information Architects community.

We now have almost 700 members! ...just thought you might like to know.

[1] http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=1147

Cheers,
--Brad Lauster

4 May 2004 - 3:14pm
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9 years ago
1 reply
Susan Farrell
2004

web design - frames

These are handy uses I had not considered, Craig. Thanks for those tips. It's important to be careful what you pass in HTML code, when money is involved though. I read last year or so in 2600, that a shopping cart that did something similar was getting hacked all the time by people who simply saved the page, changed the product price to what they wanted, and then completed the transaction.

I HATE frames, but there is one case in which they seem to be the lesser evil for design, IMO:

3.

4 May 2004 - 2:33pm
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Dave Malouf
2005

web design (and frames)

Frames and web applications

At DCTM we used frames (7 of them) in our application. Oy! Did they ever
cause problems. I can go over the list but that would be too long.

Bookmarking and search WERE even in an internal enterprise application
issues that had to be delt with. Of course there are probably other
applications where these wouldn't be issues, so I'll concede, "it depends".

My main point of my post is in a relatively stable xHTML world ... Why
bother anyway?

-- dave

4 May 2004 - 1:53pm
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9 years ago
3 replies
Jim Hoekema
2004

why frames are bad

I guess I'm feeling perverse today, but those poor downtrodden frames need a
defender! David said:

The reasons that frames don't work:

1. harder on searchengines
2. bookmarking becomes difficult
3. calculating frame sizes isn't x-browser equal
4. frames the way implemented in the HTML does not map to user expectations
in terms of scrollbar layout and what not

Strictly speaking, items 1 and 2 don't work well in most web STRATEGIES, but
this does not mean that web pages with frames don't display their content
just fine.

4 May 2004 - 12:02pm
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9 years ago
46 replies
Dave Collins
2004

web design

Can anyone point me at a (recent) discourse on the merits of framed vs.
unframed web site design?